On this episode of minddogTV, Udo Erasmus shares his insights about where to begin our journey to well being.
Udo Erasmus is a pioneer of the health and wellness industry having created FLAX OIL and the Healthy Fats Movement. He is also the co-founder of the UDO’S CHOICE supplement brand, a global leader in cutting edge health products having sold tens of millions of bottles of healthy oils, probiotics and digestive enzymes. Udo is an accomplished author including Fats that Heal Fats that Kill that has sold over 250,000 copies worldwide. Udo has extensive education in Biochemistry and Biology, a Masters Degree in Counseling Psychology from Adler University and has impacted over 5,000,000+ lives by passionately conducting 5,000+ live presentations, 3,000+ media interviews, 1,500 staff trainings and traveled to 40+ countries with his message on how to achieve perfect health.
UDO HAS IMPACTED OVER 5 MILLION LIVES…
Sold over 250,000 copies of books, including Fats That Heal Fats That Kill
Passionately conducted 5,000+ live presentations
Given 3,000+ media interviews
Traveled to 40+ countries with his message on how to achieve perfect health
Sold and distributed 25,000,000 bottles from his Udo’s Choice product line in 50+ countries
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Can you start by sharing some of your backstory and how you how you got into what it is? Exactly? You do?
Yeah. What exactly it is. It’s like trying to do everything. Right. I was born during the Second World War 1942 in Poland, that was part of Germany, and we were refugees. When I was before I was three years old, coming chasing us and tanks and trucks. And we were fleeing on dirt roads in horsedrawn. Hay wagons are women, like mothers and young children. And why we have no military presence and the allies. You know, these are the good guys, right? They were using this us refugees as target practice, from planes shooting at us from planes, it was a mess. It rubbed my nose very early, in what can go wrong, when we don’t cultivate better, whatever you mean by better. If we don’t cultivate more quality in our life, we will drift towards less quality. And so when I was six years old, I started thinking about this kind of stuff from seriously and said, You know, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And then like a six year old who doesn’t know how complicated everything is, you know, I said I’m gonna figure it out. And so that’s that’s been my driver all my life. Wow, all those different topics.
Holy smokes at some backstory. I wasn’t quite prepared for that. You know, I think a lot of people who were born post, baby boomer generation that’s a that’s a shocker of a reality check, because most of us can imagine that that kind of situation. So a little bit of a spoiler alert here now all these years later, do you think the world has progressed since then? It’s gotten worse.
I you know what, it’s individual, I would say the world’s getting worse, collectively. But in the midst of that, people make choices that make their lives better, right? People make personal choices to bring more quality into their life, they will then also be an influence in that direction for other people. And enough people do that we could be living in heaven on earth and five years serious. Well, I applaud your optimism, my friend I, and I pray that you, you’re right about that. But the pessimist in me says, I can’t I can’t believe you know, but this is not optimism. We are wired for it. We are wired for peace. We are wired for unconditional love. We are wired for inspiration. We are wired for cooperation. But what we do is we have a lot of outside influences instead of going inside into that wiring. We’re going outside and listening to bullshit. Yeah, but bullshit long enough, then then you’re gonna start repeating it.
I completely agree with that. And, and in an effort to Cut the bullshit out of my own life, I got rid of television. And I’m not even sure of any more. But it’s about 10 or 11 years ago, maybe 12 to 13 years ago. I’m not sure of that. But it’s been over a decade now. I haven’t had television in my life, but it still permeates so. Or the the information in the bullshit still gets me whether it’s through the internet through through the airwaves. Here, it still gets here. So you still listen to other people?
Yeah, yeah. Well, and I would say as a as a as a general thing, not just you, but me and everybody else, we need to make a little more deliberate effort to go a little deeper, to get a little closer to the magnificence that lives within our bodies.
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Wow. That’s a that’s a great idea. Now how where do we get started, you got to sit still.
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Instead of doing you know, instead of doing doing doing till you turn into due to uni, you basically need to sit down and do nothing. And sit with the ache that you might feel in your heart. And sit through that because stefarr behind it, like not a hair’s breadth behind that is what I’m talking about, huh? It’s already within us. It’s not like we’re not creating this, we’re not inventing this, we’re not jacking it up. This is how we’re made. This is how the universe after 14 billion years, created human beings but other plants and animals as well. So we were created with all that in us. But we go out automatically through our senses. Because when things change, we have to assess is this good for survival? Or do I run?Or is it irrelevant? And do I just ignore it?
Are you talking about simple meditation? Is that what you’re talking about? When you say go in or introspection? What? What exactly?
Whatever gets you out of your head, and a little deeper than your emotions, into the energy and awareness that are the source of life? How do you know when you’re there? You spent nine months in your mother’s body in that place. It’ll be it’ll feel completely familiar.
Okay, but so I guess I haven’t ever read that because I have done a lot of meditational a lot of introspection. I mean, I spend hours and hours on, you know, on a routine basis of introspection looking inside. But I guess I’ve never reached that place because I if you say I would recognize it, I haven’t. But what do you mean by introspection? Thinking about myself thinking about how I can improve think about what what
can I stop you? You’re thinking?
exactly. And, and, and you don’t get there by thinking you get there by unthinking you get that by not thinking about begins where the thinking stops.
part of you, but you all you’re thinking is just in your cortex. Right? rest of your body is not thinking there. Yeah. Your body occupies because you will find that in the space you’re occupies. But it takes time. Very good at going in. We’re really good at going out and going out is automatic and going in has to be delivered.
And the thinking is counter counter intuitive. I guess it’s not the way we’re built.
It’s not the way we’re trained. Right? Yeah. And the way we start is by sitting with the uneasy Feeling in our chest? You know what I’m talking about?
Oh, yeah, I just did it.
Yes, you call it blues, you call it loneliness or you call it, restlessness, emptiness. It’s your driving force, sit with that it’s uncomfortable. And we like don’t like to distract ourselves from it because we don’t like to feel it. And I’m saying no, sit with it. That’s your starting point for your journey out of your head. That’s your journey. journey. That’s your starting point for the journey to your heart. That is your starting point for discovering the amazingness awesomeness and magnificence that lives and can be experienced in the space that your body occupies. Always there. But your your focus of awareness is hardly ever there. And I’m not picking on you, this is true for the why we’re screwing everything up on the planet is because we never go to the place where we feel fulfilled, when you feel fulfilled, and you feel peace, because you’re because that peace is there. And you feel unconditionally loved by the life that that runs your body that that you are when you feel that you live a different life, and you create different stuff. Because that will come to expression. But you got to go there first. But okay, but now there are there’s, and I hear what you’re saying. And, you know, believe me, I’m not taking any of this la like it’s personal, I recognize the personal stuff in it and stuff that I need to work on in. And as far as turning off that thought process inside. You know, meditation is supposed to do that and calm me down and stuff.
And I used to be a lot better atgetting into like, an alpha state in meditation 30 years, 30 years ago than I am now. I don’t know because my brain is going constantly, and we talk about what that thing is in your chest. For me, I think it’s more anxiety than anything else. There’s so much I want to achieve. And so much I want to do and so little time to do it in. And yeah.
And why do you want to achieve all that?
So having some kind of legacy that said, to say, when I’m gone, there was something somebody will remember me for something positive. You won’t care? What when you’re gone, you won’t care? No, I won’t. But I want to be able to make sure that that that’s still that something after I’m gone.
Shut up. So you know, I’m going to contradict you this I’m really having fun I okay, like you Okay, so that all of that stuff that you want to do because you think legacy if you have a good legacy, somehow you’ll be content or you’ll be one or you feel okay. Yeah, well, yeah. feeling okay. doesn’t come from legacy feeling. Okay? already exists feeling okay. It comes from going to or feeling okay already lives inside of you. And then your legacy will become bigger.
Part of it is feeling like I almost owe the world to leave in a better place than I arrived. That’s part of what you have less peace now than you did 30 years ago. You’re actually leaving the world of worse place. Yeah, then you could have 30 years ago. So maybe what you’re how you’re trying to make it better? Isn’t isn’t? Isn’t that isn’t right.
Maybe you really just need to stop. Maybe, you know, sometimes it’s kind of it’s kind of like, we want to fix the environment. So what can we do to fix the environment? You know, what COVID has shown us? We all got blocked down. We couldn’t drive. We couldn’t do all that stuff. sudden, the air is cleaner. The dolphins are back in the in the canals in Venice, right? If we want to fix the environment, we need to do less. Not more. Yeah, I agree. And we’ve thought I had it. Right when COVID COVID. For lockdowns first started, I had an author on who was an energy expert and talked about how we’re even within a month and a half of the lockdown while the environment started to clean up and you know, and animals were coming back to back to visibility and stuff like that. So yeah, I’m talking to you want to leave live a better legacy. You want to leave a less dirty legacy. That’s the same idea. do less, huh? Less, but be more. And we think that everything that we do, it’s about doing we’re such doers. We’re supposed to be human beings, not human doings. And if you think about it being is actually more important than doing how do we know that? Because you can be without doing but you can’t do without being. So being is your foundation. If you don’t if you if you can’t get if you don’t get to be and you live without foundation. Right? Then what the hell are you going to do? Who pays the bills for you? Just being
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No, but I’m not saying just spend your 24 hours a day being okay. But I but you’re willing to dedicate life to the toilet, and to the end to the bacon and eggs or whatever it is you eat, and to doing your job. And what I’m saying is, in order to live a human life, you have to dedicate some time, will you simply sit down, shut up all your distractions.
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Get really still see how still you can become. See how deep you can go into that stillness. See how long you can stay there?
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and discover what you find in that stillness. What will you see there? What will you hear there? What will you feel there?
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And that’s called, and that’s called self discovery. I’m gonna give this a shot after the show.
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And then how likely Can you breathe?
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And can you slow down your breathing? I fall asleep though. I will fall asleep if I feel burned out. You fall asleep? Because you need rest? Yeah, so go to bed earlier at night. I don’t I don’t. That’s that’s a big part of my problem. And so I know what you talk about it, you know, a whole holistic, you know, approach to, you know, health in general. But sleeping is a major part of it. And as a man, because this is anxiety, this thing he talks about it. I lay down at night, the voices just don’t stop. I mean, I’m talking to myself all night long. Yeah, tomorrow about yesterday about today. Yeah, yeah, it’s always about tomorrow, or yesterday is the present moment. It’s never about the present moment, right now. I know anxiety Really? Well, I became afraid of flying at one point girlfriend dumped me. I got a fear of flying, right. And I realized, you know why? why that was happening. You know, there’s always a what if in anxiety, what if? What if? What if, what if, so I was doing that and I was imagining crashes, instead of safe landings. Even though most planes most of the time land safely. There are practice once in a while, but there’s a whole lot more safe landings and crashes. I was always imagining the crashes and not imagining the safe landing. And I would call that that lack of discipline. Wow. reading my mind, run wild.
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And you and the way you tame your mouth, your mind is you bait you basically step out of it. And you step into a feeling the feeling of yourself the feeling of life. And from there, you can direct your thinking, you can you know, because I can say oh my god, everything’s gonna go wrong. And with the same amount of energy, say, Oh my god, everything’s gonna go right. Same amount of effort, but a different focus and a different deliberate direction. You know, I recognize everything, the truth and everything you just said, I know you do. And but also, I recognize the fact that it’s easier for me to see that and counsel my wife when she does it, like You’re overthinking this, you’re always thinking of the worst possible outcome. You know what, why, but when it comes to myself, I don’t practice that same. Because anxiety is always about imagining the worst possible outcome, and assuming that’s going to happen. And then when, when everything goes to hell and just crashes. It’s never as bad as you imagined. Even even if you get the worst possible outcome. It never matches the fear that you had. And not only that, how old are you? 6264 62 years, most of the things you worried about never happened? Yeah, right. Absolutely. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I’m
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making all this crap up. I just say, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Who owns this? Yeah, I guess, tell you, if I say to you, hey, whose body is that? It’s my body. My body. You know, you’re just busted yourself. You’re not the body?
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Is my body you are you own the body? Just like you own a watch or whatever. Whatever you own. You own the shop. Right? Right. You’re not to show. That’s right. You own the show. The show is your property.
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Is your property. So who are you? That is the owner of the body? Hmm.
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I don’t know about that. That’s a tough one I have to see. And my inclination is to think about that. And you tell me tell me about the things you know, okay, so I’ll make it easier. So you don’t
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know who who owns your body is life. Our life you’re not the body.
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And that life is solar energy. That solar energy came from the sun on the planet got trapped by green leaves.
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Excited electrons they reacted with electrons from other ad
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For molecules, the sun, the solar energy is stored in those molecules in the in sorry, in the bonds in those molecules, those become your food, you eat the food, they get broken down in your body. And there’s the sun, solar energy that you live on, that’s who you are. And your solar energy in human form, just like the trees outside your house, your solar energy in tree form. And just like the animals, your dog is solar energy and dog form, wow, solar energy comes through food. And the food provides both the energy, the solar energy that runs us,
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and the building blocks for, for building the machinery. So the focus needs to go from the body and ideas that you picked up out there that aren’t even your own ideas, needs to go to the energy that you are. And more you get to know that energy more you are in your power, more you get done. Because you actually spend less time doing, but you’re a lot more organized and you don’t redo things because you’re you’re spaced up.
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And I’m paying you all the time, just so you understand.
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Just as much this is my experience just as much. And and I’m just picking on you because
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I actually pay your generosity. I actually like it. I mean, I always make the show about myself all about myself anyway. So
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is this more science or more Moore’s spirituality? Or is it a mix of both? What the what I just told you about the solar energy is a science part? You know, we figured all that out by studying science. When you bring your awareness, your focus of awareness, because right now your focus is on me. Right? Right. It’s not really on yourself, it could be that your focus was on yourself and me. But you haven’t practiced that. So you’re probably you’re not as good at it as you could be. Right? And I’m focused on you quite quite a lot. Right? when I, when I bring that focus back to the energy, the solar energy, that is life, that’s when I get into the so called spiritual realm, right? All of the Masters talked about that energy, all of the Masters mastered
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presence in life. That’s why they could heal. And that’s why they came up with wisdom. And that’s why people love them, because life is unbelievably loving and attractive. And the people who didn’t know how to go there, would then follow these guys, because they were doing the homework. And the followers were not
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what they and what the Masters I said, do your homework, what is your homework, come home to yourself, become good as good at coming home to yourself as you are going out there. And when you do that, then you will experience what I am experiencing, out of which comes the wisdom and the insight
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that you like so much. When you listen to me.
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And your 8 billion people have that same Master, whether you call them Buddha, or Christ or life or solar energy doesn’t matter what you call it, but that same, that same energy is in every human being no matter what race, they are gender, they are age, they are culture that come from religion, they have
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all independent because this is biological. Okay, and, and going into subjective. And the science part is more like looking at it from the outside objective.
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It sounds simple, but it’s not easy. Is it?
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A You know what? The fact that you say it’s not easy, is what makes it hard for you. And when I began to sit still, I would say that to myself, man, this is hard. And it’s hard. But you know, I thought it was hard because I wasn’t used to it. But one day, it occurred to me Geez, am I just talking myself into making it hard? So I said, You know what, I’m gonna say every time I before I sit down, I’m gonna say this as a snap. This is really easy. And the moment that I changed how I thought about it, it became easy.
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I was actually making it hard by judging it to be hard by assuming it was hard before even did it.
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Do you get very far that way? Right. Do you cut off yourself from all these outside stimuluses? Like television, internet and all that kind of stuff? I mean, how do you how do you because if you try to sit still in a quiet space for a couple of minutes and your cell phone is is is in within 10 feet of you, that’s just a distraction right there. It’s gonna ring something’s gonna happen or, you know
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Television, always all these devices we have in our lives of bring us back to the clutter and the noise. Well, maybe they do. And maybe they don’t. First of all, you can turn them off. And I don’t spend all my life not listening to television,
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what I do is I take a time, deliberately take a time of my day, to sit still and not answer my phone and not turn on my television and not get into the 1000 distraction. But you don’t even need 1000 distractions, you only need one. So even in the old days, when they didn’t have all of that they got distracted too.
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It’s a deliberate thing you have to do.
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If you want to master what the Masters Master, if you want to master being your presence in life, then there will be no greater legacy you can leave than actually living in mastery of your, of your own existence. Well, I have a chicken and egg question for you. Yeah, because you’re talking about getting your mind right. But I know a lot of what you what you teach, and it’s about nutrition and fats that are good for you and all that stuff. So what comes first? Is the mind come first or the nutrition stuff to get your body and mind in a place where it’s with chicken and egg? Which was great, what a great question. No, what a great question. Because here’s, here’s how it is and this is from experience, your body could be completely wrecked, your thinking could be completely disorganized, your
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social group could be completely dysfunctional, and your environment could be a disaster area. And the energy that his life would not be affected by any of it. And the awareness behind it would not be affected by any of it. And the in the inspired creativity, that is the shine of the energy out of you would not be affected by any of that. But your mind will be your body might be your your environment might be and your social group might be and your emotions might be. But suddenly the core of your being is not affected by any of that, you know, like your the awareness and your life energy will never get COVID.
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In fact, we will never get sick of anything and it will never die. You cannot break down something that has no form. Energy has no form. Right? But it’s a presence. And you experienced that form was present in that formless present. presence is your foundation, because that’s where you come from. That’s who you are, on your deepest level one with God, if you want to be religious about it, okay, there has to be an experience not just a, you know, a head trip something you repeat something you’ve eaten something we tell people. Interesting. So I think I heard my essence the core of who I am is not going to die. That’s correct. So what do I got to worry about being unhealthy for I’m gonna live forever.
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Your body won’t live forever? Because what has no I don’t want it to.
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And you Well, good luck and Alan,
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you know, in and yet what has formed will lose its form and illness effect that affects the body. And of course, it affects the mind because the mind is all made up to like, thoughts are also forms.
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again, I think about a lot of stuff to think about, because I am going to be processing this conversation deep, deep into the night because I generally work till 3am anyway, so I’m going to be thinking about this. So if you start thinking about this, you should go and take a cold shower.
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In your head. Well, I live in my head so much. It’s just I’m conditioned to, you know, first thing in the morning, I’m filled with anxiety, thinking about a million different things. What I got to do today what what I got to do, it’s always about doing it definitely is about of course, but here’s the thing, you have your anxiety and you’re obviously giving that some attention. But next, you know right next door to your anxiety inside of you. Lives your peace. No anxiety at all. Not possible. Why don’t you give that at least given equal time with you? You know, I do have peace in my life. And it oddly enough, it’s when there’s a lot of chaos.
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It’s when I’m on stage and when I’m playing music and I’m not the I’m not the center of attention. Somebody else is the front person and spotlights almost always on them. And so I’m kind of just doing my thing. That’s my that’s my greatest piece of my life and
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I play guitar but
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In the band, but I play a lot of different instruments. But yeah, it’s not even so much about connecting with the instrument. It’s just, it’s being part of something that is working together to produce music. Like, doesn’t matter what instrument to play. But that’s, that’s also for you a way, a way of meditating. That’s your meditation. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But But if your guitar breaks, then it’s harder to meditate. So it would be really nice if you could go there anytime you want it
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at will, and not need a crutch for doing it. But it’s not. But does it work? Absolutely.
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Yeah, and you know what it’s not it’s definitely not having the instrument it because again, I play instruments at home. And in playing by myself. And in a room by myself, it doesn’t do the same thing. It’s being on stage. And there’s, yeah, and this is part of it, too, is I, several years ago, I had debilitating sciatica, I could not walk, I could not all day long, I could not get out of a chair. But somehow, I made it to some gigs crawled up to the stage, late on the stage, in agony show started, I would start in the chair one song into the show, I’d get out of the chair, be up and then moving around the whole show pain free. As soon as the music stops in the show is over, back into agony and just and totally debilitated again. And so the music is also healing for you. Right? It’s It’s everything. For me. It’s like I’m in a different different dimension, a different life, a different, different place, spiritually and physically and mentally, completely. When I’m doing that, and it’s, it’s not the music. It’s the, the position of being onstage and being in a room full of people that are enjoying it. And it all kind of denticles saying to the same thing. It’s like almost like serving people. Yeah, yes. Okay. I know, people who use smoking as a meditation. Wow. And I figured that out Monday’s like I had a I had a friend who we were working in health, and she smoked. And I said, Why do you smoke? She says it calms me down. So I told my son, and he’s a fitness trainer. And he said, Well, that’s a lot of BS. Because when you when you smoke you your heart rate goes faster, your breathing gets faster, you know. So then I started you know, I love I love those contradictions can then it’s like, Okay, well, why, why is she feel it’s, it’s making them more peaceful, when in fact, her body’s going faster. And I and the reason why is because they take this, the cigarette, you light the cigarette, and then you go like this.
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So what they’re doing is the number one form of yoga, following your breathing. And they think they need a cigarette to do that, when they could just forget about the cigarette. And they could every time they get a little anxious, it could just go.
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Because you when you when you do that, you go out of your head and you go into your breathing, and there are no thoughts in your breathing. And the moment your thoughts start, you the moment you step out of your thoughts, you become calmer, because nothing goes as fast on this planet in the universe, as your thoughts do.
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Hmm. Yeah, that’s something that is common, I think, with every kind of addiction is that we’re just substituting that addiction or whatever it is to get us to that place. In my case, it’s, you know, the music thing.
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Yeah, the addiction. Like with addicts, they’re famous for having an ache in their heart, and they don’t know what to do with it. They don’t like it. And they’re told not to dwell on it, they, you know, distract yourself.
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And they medicated with drugs. And what I say to them is no sit with that ache. Don’t do anything with it, just feel it. Don’t judge it. Just feel it. Be with it. Because that’s your starting point for your home journey. And if you don’t want if you want, if you want except, you know, if you won’t put your feet in the blocks, you’re not going to get the gold medal for running the 800 meter race.
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You get in the blocks, because at any point, if you don’t have the starting point, you can’t do the journey. Because you know where you want to go. But you don’t know where you are. Then what direction do you take? Right? Like I want to come to where you live. Where do you live from Long Island, New York, New York. Okay, so I want to come and see you but I don’t know where I am. Right? I’m gonna find you. You would never find me.
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You make sure of it.
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I I’m deep in the woods, my friend.
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point is the point is I wouldn’t find you anyway, that’s one of the
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Wherever you are, I can’t find either, right, buddy. And if I don’t know where I am, and where I’m going, then I’m basically going to go around in circles. Right? If you want to do a journey, you got to be clear about your starting point. And you got to be clear about your goal. The starting point is the ache in the heart, when you feel that you’re already out of your head.
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See, because now you’re focused here, there’s no thoughts here, you can go and think about your heartache. But that’s what I’m recommending against, right. You just feel it, you feel what it feels like. And what it is, if you strip it down from all of the stuff, we talked about it, when your heart aches, it’s your heart, calling your focus, to come back home. Inside to its source in life, which is where you were when you were in your mother’s body.
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him out in the world and our senses took us out into the world. And we forgot that we ever had a place to come home to and then we try to fix on the outside. What can only be fixed on the inside? Because they could disconnect is on the inside. So your legacy on the outside will not fix that. No, definitely won’t. Your butt your butt you bringing your awareness back home inside to its source. We’ll fix that. And then you’re there’s no anxiety in that place. You cannot have anxiety in that place. Anxiety cannot live there.
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I’m not sure about this, my friend.
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I know you I know. Yeah. But as you as you’re talking, I’m thinking about you, you’re back in the womb, right. And I know, I know for a fact that when I was in the womb in utero, life was a very stressful place. I know this for a fact. Because I know my my parents, and they’re both batshit crazy. My father was a madman, I mean, a true madman in every sense of the word. And that and that I’m not blaming him. I know. I know, he had good point. But he was also when, and my mother smoked and drank and was in fear of him a lot. While she was pregnant with me, I’m sure that was an incredibly stressful time for me.
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But But let me tell you what wasn’t stressful, there was nothing to do. There was nothing for you to do. There was no place to go.
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All your feed feeds and your needs were taken care of, to the extent that, you know, right. I was getting hired smoking cigarettes, my mom was drinking and smoking.
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And you might have gotten a little bit of a little bit more stress on some of those habits that that’s true. But so nothing to do nowhere to go. Everything taken care of and relatively safe. Not like being in a hay horse drawn hay wagon with people. No,
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no, you win.
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But, but outside life is more stressful than inside life. Right? Even if your parents were batshit. Crazy. Right. But so getting back to a place where there was absolutely no stress. I don’t know if I could do that. I but it certainly can minimize it. Absolutely. There is a place in you that is 100%. Free of stress, you promise
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part of your makeup. But it’s a little deeper than you’ve gone. And you pretty much admitted that at the beginning. Yeah. Oh, I totally admit that. And but is this a good conversation? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 38:34
I know, we have people in many of the chat rooms that some of them know me. And I you know, I wonder if they would agree with you that I have this place of inner peace. Right. And people who know me know it, because I know human nature. I spent my life studying this, both scientifically and experientially. Oh, well,
Unknown Speaker 38:59
I there are a couple of things I wanted to talk about. And it all has to do with this. But I wanted to ask you about this thing called the god molecule quiz.
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You know, the God Particle of the Higgs boson I was so excited for that to be discovered. Once it got discovered. I was like,
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I want to know about the God Particle because it’s it sounds exciting, but I don’t know about it. So please, educate me on God and God is not a particle.
Unknown Speaker 39:30
Let’s get that one straight. Now, even though I call it a god molecule, omega three, I’ll tell you why I said that.
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God is life. We talked about that. Right? Right.
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In molecules stored in the bonds, solar energy, but when you experience it subjectively, inside then that’s the that energy is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient in you. And that’s a definite
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Have God all power in you all presence in you, and, and all knowledge in you. Because you’re because life knows how to make a body, all you do is you stuff, crane. And then once you swallow, your job’s done, something takes over it digested, it breaks it down. It takes it to where it’s needed in the body. How does it do that? How does it know that? You know, we don’t even have a clue, right? And takes all of that. And then it replaces parts and the whole thing happens 98% of the atoms in your body are removed and replaced every year. So that means if I talk to you next year, you will only be 2% of the person I talked to today, right? That’s why healing is possible. That’s why a lot that’s why healing is possible, because your body’s always turning over.
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So the god molecule is, what is the molecule that is natural to your health? That has the most energy and oxygen? No, no, no, because the energy is created when oxygen reacts with other molecules.
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And in that process, the molecule is broken down. And the the solar energy is released. But I’m talking about how the the most sunlight, the most solar energy stored in a molecule is in omega threes. I did not know that. Yeah, fats have more energy than carbs. I think if you do high school chemistry, you know, carbs at four
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calories per gram fats of nine calories per gram. But the ones that have double bonds in them, the fats that have double bonds in them, which the omega threes have the most double bonds, they are the highest energy molecules of all of our nutrition molecules, that does two things, they give you more energy if you optimize their intake. And the second is they spoil quicker than, than anything if you don’t give them the care. They’re damaged by light by oxygen by heat, you know, oils can you can put oil on a cloth and leave the oil lying in a you know, confined space. And that that that rag with the oil in it can burst into flame as the as the oil is being oxidized.
Unknown Speaker 42:17
No, I did not know that. This is very it’s a very cool thing. So as you have to be careful when you put rags in garbage buckets, because sometimes you end up with the garbage burning, right?
Unknown Speaker 42:31
So does it matter where you get omega three from I mean, if you get up because I know they sell it in stores and capsule form.
Unknown Speaker 42:39
I have a problem with with pills, supplements and stuff like that never sat well with me. And I had a health guy health expert on several months ago and sent me a lovely gift of this kit of pills and stuff that were going to make me well probiotics and all that kind of stuff. And it was like 13 pills three times a day was insane. But it got me sick. After a week I was just feeling like I had all consistently sick for a week. And then I psychic who was on the show wrote to me and wrote me a letter out of the blue and said whatever was going on with your house, I think you’ll be fine as long as you don’t try any kind of crazy fads with you know, dietary supplements and stuff like that. Well, that’s enough reason for me to stop.
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You stopped because he agreed with you because you thought
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exactly I wanted to stop anyway, I just
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matter where you get them. But what is important is that they’re not damaged by light by auction and by heat. So when you make like when we make oils, we have very tight processing that protects the oil from light oxygen and heat, which damage damage the very rapidly from the time they’re closed in the seed where they’re protected because nature’s packaging is pretty good. To the time they’re in a brown glass bottle in a box in the fridge. Nitrogen flushed. So while they’re being pressed while they’re being filled, while they’re being filtered while they’re being settled.
Unknown Speaker 44:10
During all of that time, you want to have a really tight system so light oxygen and heat can damage the oil or you go to the source of sources. flax is the richest source of omega threes that is easily available if you put that in a blender drink or shake or something like that. I don’t know if you’d go that far even but, but then you you break up the seed because you have to break it up otherwise, if you eat the seed hole, it’ll go through you and you can plant it in and still grow. So you infection from it. Well sound like very
Unknown Speaker 44:43
well yeah, I didn’t have to chew it or you have to let something else to it for you got to Yeah. And as long as they are in their natural state and haven’t been damaged. It doesn’t matter where you go to get them. But there’s not that many you know, but if you if you’re eating
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There’s very little omega three in a potato. Right? So there are only certain foods have omega threes.
Unknown Speaker 45:07
And so if I, if I start taking Is there like a recommended dosage at how much you should get, I mean, it’s hard to know what I should just like, pick out on omega three, anything can get us all day long. Yeah, if you Well, if you, if you get, if you get two grams, which is not very much, you are already going to get some benefits we use, we use quite a bit more, we use maybe seven to 14 grams, we use it in oils, you know, I, I’ve created a method for making oils with health in mind. And omega threes need that method more than any other oil because they’re more sensitive than any other oil. So flaxseed oil, it should be in glass. If you put it in plastic, the plastic leeches into the oil, then you end up with plastic in your body. probably not a good idea.
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And or you eat the seeds that they come in. So you get the flax seeds. And you and literally you chew them up, and they stick between your teeth because they’re quite
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slimy fiber on them. For you too, by the way, but you know, but maybe he might not like that, then if you don’t, then you put it in a in a blender. And with vegetables or whatever it is you can put in, you know, whatever you do Eat, eat it and put it in your favorite food and just lose it in the food. You know, you just reminded me, I guess I’m really suggestible to these fads and stuff. But
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my cousin was having an operation, done a colon operation. And he said, The problem was, he wasn’t getting enough fiber in his diet. So I went crazy, because I got afraid that I don’t want that happen to me. Yeah, I started doing this heavy duty fiber diet. And that that was the best time I had felt. I don’t know why I stopped it. But I was feeling great on this extremely high fiber diet for about a month or so. And then for some reason, I just stopped. But that was the best I had felt in years. When I was on that thing, I guess. We in North America, we get about 11 grams of fiber a day, we’re supposed to get about 30. And the people in Africa who live on very simple Whole Foods, mostly plant based diets, they get like 100 grams of fiber, and no colon cancer. Wow, there’s a very, very strong relation with the fiber and colon cancer.
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And so we could be eating a lot more. And one of the best sources of fiber is flax. That slippery stuff is all fiber. Yeah, that’s what I was eating in wood. That’s what you were talking about flaxseed oil. I was like, yeah, that’s when I was on it. And I don’t know why I stopped. I was feeling great at that point. Nothing. Maybe you maybe you don’t deserve to feel good. Yet that.
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I think there’s some truth in that whether whether it’s a real deserve or just a belief deserve. Yeah, you know,
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obviously, the life didn’t say you don’t deserve it, because life would recycle us. If it didn’t think you were worth living, right. You were chosen by life to be alive. Yeah, I think that’s the best the best chooser and listen to life instead of listening to the people or your own ideas about not being worthy, while I’m trying to learn from everybody I have on this program, including yourself. And so a to what you just said, Yeah, but, but I had to talk to somebody who believes in rebirth or reincarnation a couple of nights ago and said, basically said that I chose, I choose life. And I chose this life before I was born. So you know,
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that you were life choosing to be born? Right? I was a body. Right?
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Is that true? Well, you know, it’s a it’s a, it’s a theory. It’s a theory. I don’t want to close my mind to any anything. But I am a skeptic about everything. And so I questioned everything. And so you know, it’s hard to know, when you talk to so many people who are experts in this and experts in that and it’s hard to know which path to really take sometimes. Of course, yeah. Yeah, it’s that’s the biggest issue. Yeah. Experts have a lot of agendas. I know that right. And then you and then, but you know what life has only one agenda, which is to take the best possible care of your body for as long as possible. With very little help from your from your brain.
Unknown Speaker 49:48
Right? Yeah, well, life, life and nature don’t have agendas like people do. So I always go that direction. If I want to know how something works or what I should
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do ask life.
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Look at how it was a nature before we got civilized.
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Because life created health in nature. And when we live out of line with our own nature, and with nature, we cannot stay healthy. Because the whole system we have for health, the genetic system was made in nature to adapt us to live in nature. And then you look at how far have we gone away from living in line with nature? That’s where all our problems come? Well, can we go back? And the reason I say Can we go back to living in nature’s I think we’ve poisoned the planet. Last night I had a guy on Who was he was educating me on the Pacific garbage dump all the plastic that’s in the
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Yeah. And so and I live in an area where
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there’s a nuclear power plant right outside my back door, there is a Plum Island where they did all this experimentation on different biological weapons and bio hazards and all that stuff. And the water here is contaminated. And so I’m like, yeah, back to nature. Sounds great. But is it even possible at this point? Or as time? Totally the planet? If you’re a deer, if you were a deer or ferret, you would move? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 51:26
Absolutely. And, and so the idea of not moving away from places that are not not livable is another human, funny human social idea. Right? Animals don’t have that idea. That’s a bit.
Unknown Speaker 51:44
That was a Sam Kinison bit, the comedian who said about hunger move to where the food is
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exactly what hunger is trying to tell you.
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And so and so it’s, it makes sense, we, we’ve done a lot of damage to the planet.
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None of it came from loving life.
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A lot of it came from fear, some of it came from anger, you know, finding enemies, defining enemies, trying to be you know, any, in the end, it all comes back to us. You know, I sprayed pesticides for three years before I got poison. I was bringing them out. But then I was walking around on what I had sprayed, right, and then I got poisoned in a way, you know, I, the, the, there’s a sentence, a crude sentence that sums up every environmental issue.
Unknown Speaker 52:38
If you shit in your nest, you will nest in your shit, right? And that’s a fact. And then we do, the cleaner the environment will become so every when when people come and say, Oh, do this and do that. And somebody wants to put calcium carbonate in the atmosphere and block, you know, if you’re going to do anything plant trees,
Unknown Speaker 52:58
because they make summers cooler and winters warmer, right? They, they they are like a, like a filter for extremes of weather and temperature. But generally, most things you want, you want
Unknown Speaker 53:15
to help the environment do less, you know, if 8 billion people sat and did nothing, sat on their Fanny and did nothing for all day, meditating, or at least not acting on their thoughts. If they just sat there and did nothing, nobody would get killed.
Unknown Speaker 53:35
You know what I mean? Yeah, I wish there would be no car accidents, you know, the less we do.
Unknown Speaker 53:44
And we do way more than we need to do, the less we do, the better the environment is going to be great. Well, water is cleaner than I’ve ever seen it in, in my lifetime, right in some places.
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The the the
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the porpoises are back in the canals in Venice, the dirty air over over China is clean. You know, the the colors are brighter. The water is cleaner, the water out here is so clean, I have I have never seen it that clean.
Unknown Speaker 54:19
We’re getting locked down and we have limitations on our movement. And we’re burning less gas and we’re doing less things. And frankly, you know, and when we I say when we can’t when you can’t go outside go inside. So we have more time to sit with ourselves and discover how incredibly rich we are by nature without any money without just by sitting there. Now do we still need to do things of course. You know if you’re going to really deep meditation I just about there. Oh boy. I’ve never done I gotta go pee right. So so so we are in a situation where we have the divine and the physical both living to
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Gather in one space.
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And we give the physical a lot of attention.
Unknown Speaker 55:06
And we give the divine very little. Yeah. And our lives are poor for that. I’m just thinking of the, I would love to add, I don’t know, if it’s 8 billion, I thought it was more like 7 billion. But well, however, you know what I said? 7.25 or so as a random number. You don’t know how many people fall through the cracks because crack of people is, you know, there are people in in the US that are not on the census. Absolutely. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:37
It’s worse, the idea of getting the whole world to stop, stop what you’re doing take a half hour or even just everybody do nothing at the same time. That would be a wonderful thing. But I think almost impossible, not almost impossible to get everybody to agree to because everybody’s got some agenda that they’re just not gonna. Sure. But COVID come closer than anything that I’ve ever not heard about in the past 5000 years, right? Right. But Homeworld lockdowns, not everybody following it. Not everybody is following it. But it really put people on notice. And a lot of people have taken more direction inward and are better for it. And that’s a good thing for the planet, it will be just an amazing thing to witness if we could even get a quarter of the world to kind of just sit in peace for half an hour. But, but the only one that you can get there is yourself. Right? So be before you save anybody else. Forget
Unknown Speaker 56:44
it for myself. But if I do that effort, then I will become a, I will become an influence in that direction. I can’t make anybody do it. But I will be an influence in that direction. And I will say things different than if I don’t do the practice. And I will act different than if I don’t do the practice. So at least in my life, I can live in peace in the midst of all the craziness,
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where peace lives within me.
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And I think that’s like that’s a very hopeful thing. We literally in the midst of all this can live
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lives that are fulfilled, that are rich, that are lit up from within.
Unknown Speaker 57:29
Because there’s nothing that can keep us from going to the heart of our being. I know early you told me you’re not an optimist. But that’s your sounds like optimism to me, but a realistic, I’m talking about how human nature is made. Okay, where we are short on time. And it’s something that you talked about, that I really, I think is an important thing for people to learn about. Because in these trying times, especially, I think loneliness has become a real major epidemic. And I know you talk about reframing loneliness to bed. And I think that that’s a powerful thing to end on tonight, if you can help us understand reframing. Loneliness is another word for the ache of the heart, from being self disconnected, which happens to everybody after they enter the world didn’t happen before when they were in mother’s body. But that’s part of the human process. Doesn’t happen to plants doesn’t happen to animals, but to human beings, we get disconnected. And loneliness is just one of those. So when you’re lonely, what’s the deal?
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You think somebody out there
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can maybe fulfill you, you know, when people say that you make me whole, no, if you’re not, if you don’t feel whole, within yourself, then you were going to go and get find somebody who maybe also doesn’t feel whole, she thinks is going to come from you. You think it’s going to come from her. I’m talking about my relationship.
Unknown Speaker 59:03
I have three kids and an ex wife. So when I saw the beauty in her, I said, Oh my god, there’s the goddess goddess. She saw me the same way. And, and so she thought her love was going to come from me. And I thought my love was going to come from her. But she couldn’t get in touch with the love to give it to me within her because she wasn’t connected to it. And I couldn’t get to the love in me, because I wasn’t connected to it. So if she can’t get to the love in her, and I can’t get into the love in me to bring it into the relationship, Where the hell is the love supposed to come from? Right? And that’s how that and that’s how that that’s what happens in those things. The loneliness is, I’m looking for someone to do my homework for you for me,
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and she can’t do my homework for me. So when people are lonely, it’s because they’re disconnected from themselves. They need to come home and when you come home, the loneliness disappears.
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Because you are whole in your nature, but you got to, you got to sit with yourself to discover. And then when you feel whole, then relationship becomes a whole other thing because now you can dance No, you’re not putting a burden on her she can’t carry. And she’s not putting a burden on you that you can’t carry, then you can dance and you can do whatever it is that you decide to do when you hang out together, but it’s not going to be, well, I’m going to hang out with you. Because you fulfill me. Or until I realized that you don’t fulfill me, and then I’m going to dump you. Right? That’s what we do. That’s, that’s why it’s really difficult for a lot of people, especially people in the creative arts. Because sitting with yourself, we don’t want a lot of us don’t like ourselves. I don’t like I don’t want to sit with myself, because I don’t like the company.
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I get I get
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it, but you’re wrong about that. That’s a delusional thought that you’re having. Because life never said that. No, I know. If life didn’t think you were worthy life would recycle you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:06
Like, so. So life, you’re here because life wanted you here. If you’re good enough for life, what what is the highest? What is a higher authority than life? When it comes to being here? Right? It’s not your mother’s not your father, you come through them. You don’t belong to them, you belong to life.
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And when life when life is done with you, they can’t save you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:30
Right, great message. I wish I guess the website is who do erasmus.com you know, what is? What is the first step for people that engage with you? Is there like a consultation? What I mean that people get started working with you. Okay, I have two websites. One is budos choice.com. That’s where the products are I work with, with oils, enzymes, probiotics, probiotics are very useful for health.
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I know you
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were on the list of
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very, very. So that’s one and then the other one is Udo Erasmus calm, and we do some courses, and we do some educational stuff. And I’m on Facebook, and I have a YouTube channel and I’m on Instagram. I’m not hard to find. Okay, well put on. And I can go just about anywhere on anything that has to do with health, which is like, everything affects health. Yeah, I know. We don’t have enough time to cover everything that you talked about. Health, nature and human nature. Yeah, I appreciate your time. And we will put all the links in the description to make it easy for people. And so it’ll be nice. Let us know. And we’ll, we’ll promote you and like you’re promoting us straight love about podcasts. Yeah, we too. Well, I appreciate your your time here. And I gave me a lot to think about, get out of my head
Unknown Speaker 1:02:53
is what I have to do to process it. But I am going to give given practice, and then see if I can accomplish what what you suggested, which is kind of going inside. Yeah, if you want to see the thing about the practices, you have to want to do it. See I can give you different practices. But the issue you have to have to want to do it. And if you recognize that that your heart ache, is your heart calling you home, and and meditation is a tool to bring your awareness home, then the meditation makes sense. If you don’t understand that, then you do a meditation. That’s boring.
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Why Why should I do this? Yeah, no.
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Like, it’s like hunger makes food have meaning. heartache makes meditation of meaning. Beautiful stuff. Well, thank you. I wish you great success. And please come back sometime.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:45
I’ll continue this conversation a little deeper. I’d be happy to have it here. You’re a great guy.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:52
Thank thanks for coming and have a great night. Bye for now
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with our estimates, folks, and the links will be in the description. I’m sure you found this an interesting conversation. Hopefully you learned something here tonight. And hopefully you’ll give this a try to this idea of sitting with this thing that’s in your chest, whatever that thing is, whether it’s loneliness, anxiety,
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anything, you name it,
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and just trying to be quiet with it and sit with yourself. It’s a difficult thing to it’s an easy concept, difficult thing to undertake. For a lot of us and for me, essentially again, because as he mentioned, it’s something I tell myself the life isn’t telling me this but I don’t like the company.
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I know myself too well, I guess. Anyway, I’m gonna give it a shot and I hope you do too. I’d love to hear what you think about this program tonight. Write to me info at mind dog tv.com info at mind dog tv.com tomorrow afternoon when we have tomorrow afternoon at 1pm speaking of doing
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I can’t even pronounce a name that Natalie plum plamondon Thomas will be with us and she’s a business success coach,
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host and owner of Think for yourself that can think yourself calm. Anyway, that that’s our show tomorrow at 1pm. Eastern and then tomorrow night, we’re starting something new, which is going to be calling to open that open line. So you can call in and talk about tonight’s program, if you will, or talk about anything that happened to be on your mind, or any of the programs that we’ve had in the last week. We’re going to be doing this every Thursday night. So tomorrow night right here calling from 8pm to whenever probably we’ll probably have an extended program tomorrow night. So until then, I’m Matt nappo for the mind dog TV podcast. Thanks for coming. Have a great rest of your night and bye for now.