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Brett Erickson is a comedian and writer based in Austin, Texas. A fearless, back-of-the-room comic’s comic, Brett delivers a dynamic, free-form show that’s consistently out front of anything any other comics are doing. It was just this sort of brave, bold, damn the consequences style that led legendary comedian Doug Stanhope to take notice and call Brett, “one of the funniest comics working today.” Quick on his feet and a great joke writer,

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Episode Transcript
matt nappo 0:25
And welcome my friends to yet another episode of the mind dog TV podcast. I’m Matt nappo. Thanks for coming. It’s great to have you here. As always, we’re gonna have some fun tonight. Just a brief programming note before we get started. April Burke was supposed to be with me tomorrow, great comedian, local comedian. She’s not going to make it tomorrow. She’s got some health issues that came up. We will be rescheduling probably early next week, I’ll let you know when that’s gonna happen. We have a great comedian with with us tonight. You know, stand up comedians, generally, for the most part, very intelligent, very smart people. There are a few exceptions. But even like, those few exceptions, are pretty intelligent in in a lot of ways, and some of them are intentionally dumbing down the material to play to a larger audience for a bankroll. So they’re not all that stupid. So let’s just take it on face value that stand up comedians are smarter than the average bear type of person. Now, my guest tonight is known by his peers, his contemporaries and fans. As a very smart comedian, somebody who is very cerebral in his comedy, you need to think about it. You can’t just get her debt. I’m sorry, I didn’t want to go there. But let’s just say he’s smart among the smartest. So it’s my pleasure to have him here tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, please open your ears, open your minds and help me welcome in Brent Erickson to the mind. Oh, TV podcast. Brett, welcome. That’s exactly what I was talking about that bad, bad. trying to think of the look I should have. Well, you see the, the idea. The idea behind that intro is to put all the pressure on you, and all the expectation that you’re going to be really smart and really funny, and zero expectation that I might even come close to being smart or funny. So I

Brett Erickson 2:24
will find out. I can’t I cannot guarantee you that I will be smart, but I can guarantee you. I’ll be drunk.

matt nappo 2:32
Okay. Well. Thanks for having me on. It’s my pleasure to have you on and I got to tell you, bad eight months ago on the show, I made a really bad prediction. I said that. If comedians were stocks, I would urge everybody to put all their money into bread, Erickson, my thinking was that I had heard everybody was making an exodus from LA, which I think is the epicenter of comedy on planet Earth. And go into Austin, Texas, and I said, Brett’s gonna be the only real comedian left in LA. The spotlights gonna be on him. All of a sudden, he’s gonna get all this attention. You can see HBO calling, and he’s gonna have specials. And now I understand you’re in Austin, Texas. Yeah. Yeah. What was that you said about being a smart guy. Wow. Yes, grab that bullshit. I’m in Austin, Texas, man. So what is the aside from any income tax? What is the real benefit of being located in Austin, Texas for the comedian’s.

Brett Erickson 3:36
I can only speak to the real benefit for me being in Austin, Texas. And that is the fact that my wife has been hired to manage Joe Rogan’s new comedy club. So when that happens, you go, Wow, congratulations.

matt nappo 3:51
Congratulations to

Brett Erickson 3:54
you. Wow. Thanks. She’s great. she’s a she’s one of the best goddamn people and bartenders in equal measure that there is and she was the, if you’ve been to the Comedy Store, you may have seen her she ran the VIP comics only bar in the back. And yeah, so you know, she hit it off with all the comics too. And now she’s gonna be running Joe’s club. So that’s pretty exciting. So yeah, so we decided to come to Austin, but I’ll tell you, I do I do enjoy Los Angeles very, very much. So I do miss it.

matt nappo 4:29
Yeah. I didn’t know Rogen was opening the club. Good for him. Yeah. Gotta do something with all that money. Probably. Yeah. And to figure out what what he could do with all that extra gas now. So I understand, I think anyway, I understand because I went to your website to look at dates and I didn’t see it, but I understand you’re going to Alaska. I this is what I

Brett Erickson 4:50
love about you. This is how much of a professional this man is. I looked at on the tweet you put out today about the show, and I looked at my bio that you You, you cut and pasted from my website, and I noticed that you’ve updated it for

a real professional operation. Oh, I already forgot the question. What was it Alaska? You’re going to go into it? Yeah, I don’t here’s the thing. I don’t update my goddamn What? Does anybody updated their actual website anymore? No, I don’t know that they do. I think I already spend more time than I want to on social media. I, I recently have been pulling back from social media, just because I needed to for my head, my brain. And, and I like that when I started out doing comedy, there wasn’t social media, you know, you you called the comedy clubs, you sent them tapes. They hired you. They did the promotion. You went to the show. That was it. I liked it that way. Now, obviously, I you know, old man yelling a cloud right now, but it’s not the way it’s gonna be. But I just you know, there’s just too much of that shit. And I definitely not I didn’t get into stand up comedy to be a website designer. No, I can’t, you know, so I so I don’t so but I but to your question, I do remember it now. This time, I am going to Alaska. I’ll be up in Alaska. Next week at chilkoot. Charlie’s on the 10th 11th and 12th of June so if you got any people up there in Anchorage, come on out. The Kyoko Charlie’s is a legendary place.

matt nappo 6:38
I was looking at my demographics. And my analytics today to notice I have, I think 30 unique listeners. And there you go.

Brett Erickson 6:48
Look, I’m not even lying. Luckily for me, I am just at the level of success where 30 people would make a big difference. So if even some of them come out, that’ll be nice. And our good friend from the issues with Andy podcast, Mr. Greg shaylee. will be there with me in Alaska. And you could see him too.

matt nappo 7:11
If you’ve had. Have you done Alaska before? Many times? Yeah, I’ve been up there a lot. That’s why I’m asking you why I even brought up Alaska. When you go there? And do you feel like you have to make your material even more edgy or as edgy as possible. Knowing the audience is going to be rapists, murderers and killers. Yeah, yeah.

Brett Erickson 7:36
I dial back my, my liberal politics a little bit. Yeah, because everybody’s got a gun.

matt nappo 7:47
Well, I’ve had several guests who went to Alaska and ended up doing eight or 10 years in jail. See, at probably a handful of probably maybe five or six people who actually went to Alaska for a good time or vacation a fishing trip and ended up going to jail for assault, robbery or something. It seems like a very wild west place and doesn’t seem like a good place for it. Yeah,

Brett Erickson 8:15
yeah, I’m not I you know, it’s interesting because shaylee and I and his lovely paramour, Tracy, and a few other friends are going to go after we do the shows. We’re going to get in an RV and we’re going to drive up into Denali National Park to see Mount Denali, the old Mount McKinley, for you old timers, and we’re gonna go camping for a couple of days. And that’s gonna be exciting, because it’s gonna be the summer solstice.

matt nappo 8:43
I bet you The weather is better there than it is here.

Brett Erickson 8:47
It’s amazing. It’s 24 hours of sunlight. And it’ll be you know, nice 50s to 70s I think something like that. I’m guessing I don’t know what the temperature is going to be. But the goddamn sun’s gonna be out at midnight. And I’m excited to see that that’ll be.

matt nappo 9:00
Well, a good luck and I hope I hope you make it back to Austin. I really do and don’t. Don’t go to jail. Don’t hang out with any day. Show.

Brett Erickson 9:09
Here’s the deal. Greg Chaille. used to work at Chilkoot Charlie’s. That’s how he met Doug. Stanhope and Mitch Hedberg and all the guys that he’s worked with through the years and how we ended up meeting. So he’s a veteran. He lived in Anchorage for 10 or 15 years or something like that. And he’s like my little Mount Everest Sherpa. You know what I mean? Like, I’ll stay close to him. I keep a hand on his back. Like I’m a blind man crossing the street. And I’ll make it back to Austin,

matt nappo 9:34
where we keep a hat on and cover cover that because I would think in Alaska probably doesn’t go too well. Yeah,

Brett Erickson 9:41
yeah, he does look like it looks like a chicken just hatching from its egg.

matt nappo 9:48
Yeah. Okay.

Brett Erickson 9:52
Tough to chicken hair popping out.

matt nappo 9:54
Well, it seems like a nice chicken. I I noticed the few times he’s meant to me he’s called it mind Mad Dog radio. Yeah. Which is not good at reading. He’s a bad reader, but actually I he’s kind of psychic because that’s how I got my start. 35 years ago it was mad dog originally and I was on the radio, but he would know that

Brett Erickson 10:17
let’s talk radio where you sound definitely. As soon as I heard your voice, I thought this is definitely a radio guy. Did you know that I was a radio guy. I know that well, maybe maybe if I updated my goddamn website. I have my violin. I was a I did radio in Illinois. I grew up in Illinois and I graduated from college I went and started working in Peoria, Illinois and radio and yeah, big time. And I had a morning radio show at a couple different stations for a while in the 90s. And I thought well this doesn’t seem like it’s going to be around forever radio and and then I got fired from a couple stations and I just said fuck it I’m gonna go do stay I’d been doing I was doing a little stand up as a time just because I had all the I did what you what you’re doing I had all the I interviewed all the comedians on my my radio show I hosted at the club in town. And then when the radio station told me to take a long walk off a short Pier, I said, Alright, I’ll I’ll do stand up for a while. And that was in 1999.

matt nappo 11:26
Yeah, wow. Yeah.

Brett Erickson 11:28
Yeah. I love radio though, man. I loved it. If I didn’t see that, you know, it looks to me like towns like Peoria and even a little bigger. We’re drying up for radio broadcast talent

matt nappo 11:43
everywhere it is and especially at that time with everybody going to satellite and I think satellite is even on its way out now giving away to digital streaming radio and that kind of stuff. But when I was there I got in it for I was doing an overnight show with crazy people. I mean, UFO people Bigfoot people. Go gigs, all that kind of stuff. My dad. Yeah, that’s cool. Right? You an Art Bell fan? You probably get asked this. Yeah, of course. I had him on my show a couple of times interviewed him a couple times. I had the other Art Bell on just a couple of weeks ago via the other Art Bell being the guy who founded Comedy Central. Who’s that? Do I know that? I Belk founded Comedy Central Oh,

Brett Erickson 12:28
there’s a he’s name is actually Art Bell. There’s Yeah. I thought you were gonna tell me you talked to George Nori. No, I

matt nappo 12:37
talked to Jeremy north. No,

Brett Erickson 12:42
I used to love art. Well, I’ll tell you, you probably know this from talking to comics, especially if you talk to guys who were road dogs in the you know, 90s and early 2000s. Art Bell was just a part of it. Because you drove you were always driving overnight somewhere. And this was before you know Sirius XM and all that shit. You just you drive across the Dakotas. And you’d get Art Bell for a while when you were outside of appear. And then you drive and you’d be trying to make it to Bismarck and it fade out a little bit. And then you’d have to tune it in on another thing. And Eddie catch it again for a second. I used to love that shit.

matt nappo 13:17
Yeah, I did too. And I used to travel because I was you know, doing going from different band to different band at that time while he was on the radio. And during the night, he would try to tune him in wherever he could got a little spooky when you were all by yourself sometimes going from two o’clock in the morning and you’re listening to that stuff. Yeah. But what really burnt me out on that it’s just the whole conspiracy stuff. And I thought at that time, it was getting to it was getting over overloaded with conspiracies and people just going nuts and never saw the place where we beat today. Unbelievable. It’s really insane. So and I know that you’re among the let’s bring in that banner. So we can kind of promote the issues with Andy podcast a little bit. Yeah,

Brett Erickson 14:08
take my stupid fucking website down off the bottom of there. I know one don’t go there unless you want to see the updates. on issues with Andy, that’s where you go for

matt nappo 14:19
that. That’s an older picture from about 13 episodes ago, but slash issues with any brand is one of the four co hosts on that program. Now, I know where the name came from, but the concept of the show seems to be and maybe I have it wrong. Maybe there was no concept. Let’s again, let’s get together and do a podcast but it seems to be let’s let Andy talk your role seems to be to keep the public informed of where Andy’s going and kind of fill in the gaps of the things he forgets to say and Charlie is there for the comic relief with the images and stuff and then Chad just drinks and smokes, and then when everything is said, Yeah, but what was their intent a content meeting that said, what are we going to do? Or you guys just said that let’s get together and have a podcast? Yeah, it

Brett Erickson 15:10
was definitely more of the latter. And then it just sort of became the Well, I mean, it worked out perfectly, because we ended up calling it issues with Andy because at the beginning, and he kept having problems, figuring out how his computer worked and how Skype and he couldn’t get this and his microphone wouldn’t work. And we would all be there and we could hear him and see him but he couldn’t see us and he’d be going back to me because it is screaming and messing with stuff and we’d laugh at him. So that’s how we came up with the name and then but it it kind of just organically became his vehicle. I mean, it was just for friends hanging out to do a podcast. And it’s just it’s such a good vehicle for the mind for his brain.

matt nappo 15:56
That is

Brett Erickson 15:58
it really just you know, it it I have absolutely no problem. I’ve known Andy for so long. I have a he makes me laugh so hard that I have no problem. I don’t consider it taking a backseat. It’s more like this show is like Abbott Abbott, Abbott and Costello and it takes three Abbott’s to rein in one Costello in this case, because Andy’s fucking crazy but in a beautiful mind sort of way. And I think we described at one time as, as the three of us exist as those, those rubber bumpers that they put in the bowling alleys when the kids are bowling. The ball doesn’t always go in the gutter. Ghandi will be telling a story and he hits the gutter over here. And then we got to bounce him back into the middle of the lane. Then he hits it over here. We send him back this way. And it’s a damn blast. I love it.

matt nappo 16:53
Yeah, well, I have to say and no smoke. It’s the absolute best use of podcast technology ever got it? You know, it’s I don’t know if it was accidental. But it’s a stroke of genius, the way he is allowed to just kind of freestyle and you guys serve your roles. I noticed on a episode about three weeks ago that you and I were in sync on a therapeutic level of Oh, wait a minute, we’ve had a breakthrough here. When Andy was talking about porn film, he got aroused. As a young man about running at Marilyn chambers running at the same moment and hit me it’s like, wait a minute. This means something we’ve we’ve cracked the guy’s psyche a little bit. Has he developed and grown from that from that piece of it?

Brett Erickson 17:48
You know, that particular piece of enlightenment? I’m not sure sometimes I think it he’s a little bit like a bucket with a hole in it.

You know, like, you fill it up at full and then it’s not full again, you got to fill it back up. He so I don’t know that he keeps it connected. But that was something because I’ve I’ve been with him. I’ve traveled with him numerous times. And he’s that’s not new behavior. Being always being close to running out of gas. And then when we find out that was the plot of the very first porn he watched with free molesting him, it was like, whoa, wait a minute here. I’m not a fucking psychologist. But I think we might have gotten to something.

matt nappo 18:29
I think if you came across as somebody who had some therapeutic cognitive therapy training or

Brett Erickson 18:35
something. It’s not that you know what it is? It’s comedy training. Because all as I was thinking callback, that’s a callback to an earlier joke. on an earlier episode, it just happened to you know, it’s like the Venn diagram where comedy callback and therapy crossover and that was the middle part right there. And that was great. Great. Good. Andy was on here before, right?

matt nappo 19:00
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love Andy and I was trying to be be you three guys and try to just let him talk that whole time. But it’s such an interesting guy and what uh, what, uh, you know, I tell my wife stories about his life is like, because people think I’m interesting, you should write a book. It’s like, you gotta you gotta check out issue for fun. I had a psychic on the program who wanted to do a reading for me. And she said, I might embarrass you. I think you’re afraid to let me talk. Talk about your secrets. I said, No, I’m an open book. And she started talking about some of the shit that she picked up on me. And, and then I said, you know, yeah, you could say that. But I and here’s the real deal. And I told her, and she went, Wow, sorry to hear that. And basically, I said, well, everybody’s got some fucked up shit, right? Not that fucked up.

Brett Erickson 19:53
Well, you could write it all down, but just don’t put the book out till you’re dead. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You never No.

matt nappo 20:00
So you talked about callback to another joke. Where, as I mentioned, you are a cerebral comic. Now, a lot of the things. If I compared you to the like the blue collar, guys, you’re you have, you have to come with your brain intact. You can’t be too stoned to go to your show, and think you’re gonna laugh a lot, because you have to think about it. This, you mentioned earlier, you know, 30 people would make a big difference at this point in your career. Do you think because you you don’t compromise and don’t dumb it down? That hurt your career at all?

Brett Erickson 20:35
Ah, maybe? I don’t know. But I don’t. I don’t do it. I don’t, I don’t think about it like that. You know what I mean? And I don’t I don’t measure success in in just in dollars. I, I am a happy person. And that’s what I do fuck about I I started doing comedy in the late 90s. And I just did it in the Midwest because I have two kids and I was divorced. And I were had joint custody of these kids. And I was doing the road all the time. And I just wasn’t home very much. So then I I stopped doing the road all the time, I got a full time construction job. I worked at the comedy club on the weekends, and I stayed in Peoria, I went to volleyball games and soccer games and and you know, Christmas programs and shit like that. And that hurt my career more than anything that had more than, you know, cerebral comedy or whatever. That hurt my career. But it made me a happy person. So there’s no way I would do it any different. I have a great relationship with my kids. They’re there. They’re healthy, well adjusted adults. And it you know, after they both were out of high school, and they were in college, and often different cities doing their own thing. That’s when the the old lady and I picked up and took off and went to LA. So you know, I’ve only been really attacking comedy full time in these last few years in LA and now Austin. So you know that that’s it? If I had, you know, I don’t regret it is what I’m saying. I have I’ve had a blast, and I still get to do the comedy I get to do. I’m, I’m happy with the results. You know what I mean? I I don’t answer to anybody else. I do it the way I want to do it. And guess what else when I don’t feel like doing it? I don’t fucking do it. It gets like, I work with some of these guys in LA and I have the utmost respect for some of these kids hustle like you have never fucking seen there. They do three or four mics and night, their fucking lives or stand up comedy. And I respect that. And I think that’s amazing. It just ain’t who I am. I don’t give a I don’t give that much of a fuck. I like it. But I like doing other shit too.

matt nappo 22:59
Oh, God, attitude, man. I relate to that in a big way. And I’ve tried to tried to preach that to some people. Not that I yeah, everybody’s different. You know, everybody’s got to do what they like to do. But, you know, I’ve had a lot of musicians who crave fame. And I like, you know, I’ve been down that road and chased fame when I was young. But I’ve seen it destroy people’s lives, too. So I got happy being a club level musician, staying within the tri state area here and not going out and being national stuff. Because Yeah, as long as it makes me happy doing what I do when I want to do it, and I pick and choose the work I want to take and not necessarily just taking stuff to keep working and stuff. Yeah, I think that that is a much better way to stay happy if you’re of that mindset now.

Brett Erickson 23:45
Yeah. You know, I mean, I, I wish I could claim some sort of, you know, philosophical genius and understanding, it just sort of worked out that way. You know what I mean? Like, I fell, I kind of fell into the right decision. I didn’t feel like with my kids, I had much of a choice. But you know, I felt good about it. Like, I like my kids. I like hanging out with them. So you know, it was all good. And that it’s been a perfect kind of recipe for me, you know? Right. So

matt nappo 24:16
So, with that approach now, when you’re on stage, and I haven’t seen you live well, I’ve seen you stand up is to video. So I don’t know, I’ve never been in the same room and I know it’s different there. But it seems to me your confidence with your material. And this might be just smoke and mirrors because you don’t you know, you never see in your psyche. But you seem extremely confident more so than a lot of comedians with the ability to let a premise breathe and set up something and give it a second to sink in. where other people are just and we talk about Radio fraid of dead air. You seem to be very comfortable with putting that out there. Am

Brett Erickson 24:58
I wrong? You’re not wrong. I’ll tell you what, that’s a really good observation. And it’s the radio thing that drove me to it. Because when I started doing stand up, I was definitely not comfortable with that silence because of the radio, you cannot have dead air. You know, I still have dreams, where I’m working at a radio station, and it’s my, like, my first day, and I can’t, I can’t remember the call letters. I, I can’t I can’t find the song. Like, when I started doing radio, we still had the songs were on the eight, like the eight track style cartridges, the big carts, they were great, you know, like, we had a rack of them, you know, 600 songs on carts. And we had these, like eight track player kind of things where you shoved them all in and you hit the button, and it would start. And you know, you had like, Oh, your you got your song list for the hour. And you’d go back to your rack, and you’d get, oh, this song, and then this songs next, and then song and you’d come over and you’d have a stack

of fucking songs and you set them right here, and you put the first one in, and you’d hit it. And Hey, everybody, here we are. And my dream is that I cannot find the songs. I can’t find where the music is, where is it? And the song that is ending, there’s a song ending, right, and it’s time and I can’t remember the call letters. And that fear of that still

is in my brain. I can’t

dream. Now. I don’t have scary dreams like that about stand up. I don’t know what it is. I started doing stand up at the club in Peoria, the jukebox comedy club. And I just I kind of like said fuck it and dove into that where I just there was a there was a one comic from Chicago. I think he’s probably retired now because he was an older guy, but a really funny guy. If you could find him online. I don’t even know if he has anything online. But the guy’s name is Paul Kelly. And if you talk to Chicago, comedians, they’ll tell you that he was a legend back in the 80s and 90s. And he would go up there sometimes. And he would just stand there for the first 60 seconds without saying anything. And it was mortifying. He was so comfortable that but by the end of it, everyone was laughing. He hadn’t said anything. Everyone was just laughing. Because he just kind of did that for a little while just kind of kept looking at everybody. And he looked at somebody for a little bit more. And he was so everyone was like, What is happening? Everyone got really nervous. You could see everyone get go anxious and afraid. Why isn’t he talking and then, oh, he’s doing this on purpose. And they’d kind of kind of calm down a little bit and relax. And then once they get comfortable in it, and they see that you’re not afraid of it, then they get comfortable. And then they can relax, let their guard down. And now you can talk to them about anything. Because they’re because you’ve broken through that. That wall.

matt nappo 27:49
The first guy I ever saw do that was Andy Kaufman, but he never he never took it. And he basically stayed in. Yeah, in that weirdness for a long time. There were times where before he actually was on Saturday Night Live and Johnny Carson, where we’d see him in New York City and basically walk out of there like what the fuck was that a comedy show or not? And he loved that stuff. But yeah, wrestle women? What that was Oh, yeah. Would it be fair to say that you I think it’s fair to say that you’re the most politically vocal of the four people for a host of issues with Andy. Maybe

Brett Erickson 28:34
Andy, Andy is pretty hardcore. Hardcore is not the right word. And it is his second minute

matt nappo 28:43
to the issues that matter to him.

Brett Erickson 28:45
He’s, he’s got it in, it’s infused into his point of view as well. Now, it comes out in different ways. So mine, for me is probably or at least it has been in the past a little more direct. It’s interesting because this now that you say this is because this will be fun. If anybody’s in Alaska wants to come see me. I’m trying to get away. I’m gonna try to get away from some of that. I’m gonna try. I feel like this whole pandemic, this whole crazy fucking thing. Everything has changed. You know, in my in my world. I went from, you know, working at the Comedy Store in Los Angeles. feeling like I was right there. And I loved it. I loved it. And then all of a sudden pandemic hits everything shut down. Is California gonna open back up? I don’t know Joe Rogan leaves. He comes out here. He’s gonna open up a new club. He calls my my wife. He’s like, Hey, you want to be? Yes, we do. So like, it’s like this whole new rebirth. And I think my favorite comedian of all time is George Carlin. And what I loved about George Carlin was he had that, that that you know, that societal bang. He, you know, he was a philosopher, he told you what he thought about the way the world was fucked up. And and how you were a part of that. And I love that. But he was also a had a lot of material that was silly, and and inward looking. Right. And that interests me and I’ve never gone that direction. So I’m trying to push myself into that area. Now I feel like because here’s the deal, I got to write a whole new Act, because I don’t remember what the fuck I was talking about before the pandemic hit. So there’s no chance in going back to any material that I had before. So it started over time. So, you know, I’ve been working on some new stuff, and I’m going to try to drive it into the, you know, kind of more about the stuff we all share. Personally, we’ll see what happens

matt nappo 30:53
I have you been on. Since the limited to

Brett Erickson 30:56
six minutes into the first set, I’m going to go right back to calling Trump a cocksucker.

matt nappo 31:03
I would give you credit for less than six minutes. Because I know myself that you haven’t been on stage since a lot.

Brett Erickson 31:13
I have a couple times. I’ve done a couple sets here in Austin. And did a set in one set in San Diego before I left. And a car and I did the Comedy Store a couple of times Comedy Store opened up a little bit back in the fall when they were trying don’t mean Oh, we thought we were going to open it and then it hit hit again. So I did some sets there but it’s that was all really weird. You know what I mean? It’s I feel like now it’s starting to be a little more like it was people at least here. I’m in Austin. I’ve been going to shows every night that it’s fucking over here. Whether it is or not. They’re acting like it’s done. Everything’s wide open. Yeah, there’s no nobody’s wearing masks inside anymore. I’m vaccinated. I’m not worried about it. I don’t know what your thoughts are on all of this. But my feeling is at this point there are vaccines available for pretty much everybody you can get one if you want one go get one if you don’t want one, don’t get it.

matt nappo 32:10
I agree and that’s why I that’s why I brought up the political whether it because you are Oh, at least on Twitter, sometimes you share your opinions. And I think it was just yesterday that you shared one that now edge. It’s surprising to me, but not so surprising to me that you started out sounded like a libertarian yesterday, didn’t I? Well, not such a libertarian. But I think the lines both that people used to define a liberal conservative is so fucking blurred now. Yeah, I mean, I don’t blame it all on Trump. I think Trump amplified that it started before Trump, that whole worrying of the lines between what’s a conservative and what’s a liberal, but you started out by qualifying it that I’m as liberal as an undocumented or whatever. And then I happen to agree with Ted Cruz. And I was in Texas for a couple weeks. Fucking Republican. I don’t think he knows what he’s saying. Yeah, well, let me just say this. Fuck Ted Cruz, right. Yeah.

Brett Erickson 33:13
So I mentioned my, my children, one of my children is an ICU nurse, my daughter, my pride and joy. I love them both. But I like my daughter more. she’s a she’s an ICU nurse, she has been dealing with pandemic from the start 12 hour shifts every day for PP, you know, putting people on ventilators taught her helping people talk to their family on FaceTime, possibly for the last time all these terribly heavy stories for a long time during it, it was you know, she would call she would be crying sometimes to having to, you know, find the strength to go back and keep doing this and put yourself through this emotional roller coaster. And they never, we it was always very hectic and very busy, but they never got quite got overwhelmed. And now it’s flattened out. Those are the people I worry about. And that’s what I was saying yesterday when I said get the back end or don’t because it before it was Hey, everybody, let’s get the vaccine because we have to get enough people vaccinated that we that we don’t overwhelm the hospitals because if you do end up and we kind of lost sight of this, I feel like at the beginning of the pandemic, this idea that that the real the real danger of this pandemic is that everybody gets Coronavirus at once because if everybody gets it at once, a whole bunch of people are going to die who don’t have to die. And that’s the point. So if we’re to the point now where no matter what happens, the hospitals won’t be overwhelmed. The health care system can handle it. So if you want a vaccine, go get it if you don’t want it, don’t get it but if you get it and then if you get Coronavirus and you end up in the hospital. That’s a tragic story for you. And your friends and your family but it’s not a tragic story for me because it’s not making my life any any worse. Exactly.

matt nappo 35:07
Yeah, it makes total sense. And this is why I say you’re you’re one of the smarter comedians out there because I don’t think people out there because I don’t think a lot of people really kept sight of that. You’re right. I think we lost. The goal was to flatten the curve we flattened six months ago, right? I played a show Thursday night. 1800 people one guy had a mask on it’s like, what the fuck good. Is that gonna blow his nose too. It’s like he’s just comfortable with it. Yeah, well, I think there’s there’s some of that too, and some of it is still fear driven people going through you know, I think it’s over here. The hospitals are certainly not overwhelmed here. Yeah. But people are still going to the store is fully messed up and I I’m afraid to walk in the store without a mask on just because of the social kickback I’m going to get over it right. So I’d rather walk in with my pants off than a mask off it. I think I’d take less less flak from it. I went to Trader Joe’s and I didn’t get Coronavirus but I think I got herpes. So you know working that stuff. You know and I we mentioned kind of before we went on the air talking a little bit about common friend Brandon walls now. He you know, I don’t never know when to take Brendan seriously. So he was on Twitter talking about people. He goes on and talks about people shooting joke about Coronavirus and then the next thing I know he’s dropping a Coronavirus sex tape where COVID sex tape or not sex tape well sex worker called sex co Yeah. where he’s the doctor in the guys got in and he’s like, Oh,

Brett Erickson 36:53
I love that man so much. It’s ridiculous. I i’ve been it’s been a joy to know that dude, he is a little bit crazy and ways the funniest goddamn comedian in Los Angeles. And I don’t know why he is not world famous. I mean, he’s comics know him. You know him. Some of your fans probably know him. But not enough people do. That guy is goddamn brilliant. I love them.

matt nappo 37:19
I agree. I’m surprised by that as well. And I, you know, I’m surprised by so many communities, and here’s the thing, you know, and we’re gonna get to the canceled culture stuff in now. But canceled culture can mean so many things. But in a time where it’s getting really hard for comedians to know, where they should draw lines anymore, and I’m against even any kind of rat Frank bastard bringing the camera into a comedy club to begin on. But in a time when we see it getting harder and harder to know what you can do in a comedy club. We’re seeing also seeing more comedians than ever coming out and, and becoming stand up comics more than ever, I think I never seen somebody standing. So it’s kind of an odd thing that the harder it gets, the more restrictive the art form gets, the more people are coming out to do it.

Brett Erickson 38:10
Yeah. Well, there are so many comedians now. And this is part of what feeds into kancil culture. There are so many comedians now that well, first of all, there’s some that shouldn’t be comedians and not because they’re not funny. I don’t care about that you can either learn to be funny, or you can be not funny and just fail at it forever. That’s also fine. Do whatever you want. But there are so many comedians that that they have to turn on each other. They have to cut people loose. You know what I mean? Like, comedians are always looking to get rid of somebody because it’ll just they think that’ll make their you know, it’ll make that easier for them to get booked, because they just got rid of that guy, and he’s not going to get booked anymore. It doesn’t work that way. But there is a I can see why people think that that’s the way it is because there’s just so many. I mean, I would be at the Comedy Store, Monday night Comedy Store in Los Angeles, they do potluck, which is the open mic night you go in, you sign up, and if they draw your name, they drop 20 names, and you get three minutes. So 20 people three minutes, it’s two hours long. And they would have anywhere from 180 to 225. people show up every Monday for 20 spots. And that’s a lot of goddamn people. And that’s just that’s not that’s just the brand new comedians, like that’s just the new group. There’s also, you know, here’s what I used to tell people back in Illinois after I moved to Los Angeles, when they would ask me how it was going, I would say, well, it’s comedy in Los Angeles and New York is I’m sure the same way. You know, it’s sort of a good news, bad news sort of thing. The good news is that 90% of the comedians in Los Angeles are terrible. I know, the bad news is that the other 10,000 are really, really good

matt nappo 40:14
right? Now. So

Brett Erickson 40:15
I mean, I couldn’t go, I would be in Los Angeles, I could go to a show every single night of the year. And I would I could go to a different venue every time, and I would be guaranteed to see at least one comedian that I had never heard of, that would be fucking amazing. And then you start to go, Oh, my God, like, how do you do this? How do you find your way? Because there there are a lot of people doing it. And a lot of them are really, really bad, but there’s still a lot left that are really fucking good. And you’re just blown away and it’s just, you’re like, wow, geez, I should just go get a job at fucking Best Buy or something. I can’t compete with these people. The way it is, I’m glad of it because it makes the art form stronger and better. And I’d love great comedy and I saw a lot of it in Los Angeles, but it’s disheartening when you think that somebody is going to come knocking on your door to make you famous and you realize Holy shit, I’m good the back of this fucking line.

matt nappo 41:20
But okay, I get that the the influx of new talent, new new people, new blood is going to push the art form ahead. But then you also have that canceled culture thing, which kind of in my mind stifles art and stifles it in a big way. And I think it was Seth Rogen last week who was talking about comedians need to get over. Your jokes don’t age well, and I don’t think it’s a bad jokes. Aging. Well, it’s I think it’s about new jokes, being afraid to be born. Because they’re being a board. We’re having a massive portion of comedy. Because we’re afraid of I can’t go there. I can’t go there.

Brett Erickson 41:59
Now. I think you might be right about that. It’s the self censoring thing. That’s the real problem. You know, I mean, do you see what happens to some comedians who, you know, make, sometimes it’s as simple as it is, you know, sometimes it’s comedian is pushing the envelope, and, you know, trying out new things. And sometimes a comedian just makes a mistake. It happens people are, comedians are fucking human. Right? So and then. And sometimes, when you’re pushing the envelope, you also make a mistake. It’s the two things together. And when those two things happen at the same time, bingo, you’ve got a viral goddamn video sometimes. And then that person’s like, Oh, I didn’t mind. And if that and if that sort of reaction, which is all negative ends up stifling that artists creativity, then that’s, that’s bad. That’s bad. That’s, that’s not helping. So I think that’s right, it right. That’s, it’s especially bad for that artist. And it doesn’t matter if it’s stand up comedy, or, or a YouTube show, or radio or painting or whatever. origami, whatever your art is, when you stop trying things that interest you. Because you’re afraid someone won’t like you for it. You’re doing a bad job as an artist, so it’s hard to stay focused on, on that, especially when a lot of these guys, they start they’ll lose a lot of money.

matt nappo 43:41
Right? Well, I’m gonna I’m gonna circle back here to what you just said about comedians thinking that if I get so and so cut him out, that’s gonna make more bookings. For me, it seems to me whether it’s politics, or Comedy or Musical, whatever it is, when things get canceled. It’s the people of peer group that’s canceling them. So when the Tony Hinchcliffe thing, the people who are most vocal and and angry about it, what comedians, they were lining up with paying or whatever, but and you see it in politics, too. If people are like, somebody on the right says something or get cancelled on YouTube, it’s because the people on the left kind of ganged up on but political people. And it’s the same thing with comedy. Same thing with musicians with peer groups, and not knowing that they’re killing their own golden goose. Because if I sent her what he says, Now, when I go on stage, I should know that that light is gonna in a microscope, be pointing on me, but people don’t seem to get that. Do you? Do you feel like it’s peer?

Brett Erickson 44:43
relay? Oh, no, absolutely, absolutely. They in a lot of ways they can’t wait to to cancel somebody to do say, Hey, good, fuck you beat it. And in Tony’s case, a lot of people don’t like Tony. That’s just that His personality, he’s a cocky son of a bitch. So he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. So when they saw that video, they were like, great, you know, but but Tony is, is just playing a part like a wrestler, he’s that he’s the bad. He’s the villain on the, you know, in wrestling. And that’s all it was. And he seems to bounce back from it. In fact, I just went to the recording of the first kill Tony episode that so he’s back. So I don’t know, when I

matt nappo 45:29
started being promoted today. And I was happy to see that, you know, I’m not a huge huge fan of his but I I was definitely on his side of that whole thing. I just think it should be a personal matter and I I’m don’t give the benefit of the doubt that you do to paying. I think it was enough. I did was

Brett Erickson 45:56
I was I felt like, I seem to me that the argument that I tried to make was that Tony was just joking. And and that’s what I was trying to point out. And I I thought I laughed at paying. I sat there and and I had some I laughed at him. So I felt like if I had said anything other than he did a good job. I would have been that would have been dishonest of me now, as far as the as far as the filming it and who filmed it? And how did he get that film? And why did he edit it? You know, why did he cut it off when he cut it off? And all of that stuff? That’s a whole nother discussion. And and he doesn’t look great in those discussions, frankly. Yeah. You know, I it’s just the whole thing. It just sucks. here’s the here’s the fucking thing. All right. It’s there’s a difference between saying something, you know, and being racist. I don’t like racism. Racism is fucking stupid. But anything you say anything you say, from the stage of a stand up comedy show shouldn’t count outside of the realm of stand up comedy. Some, if someone had an issue with Tony Hinchcliffe calling Peng? Dang it, you can bleep this out if you need to a filthy chink. And then and they have a problem with that. Because Tony didn’t clear that with paying first and he wasn’t exactly in on the bit to start with. And it wasn’t all completely pre planned. It was just kind of winging it and go valid complaint. But if you think that, that that it’s a problem, because he really thinks that and he’s really promoting that that idea, then you are then you’re don’t ever go to a stand up comedy show because you’re going to ruin it. Because it’s a stand up comedy, everything. It’s like, it’s you didn’t hold Carroll O’Connor liable for what he said is archie bunker, it was within the context of a show, a show that has beats that has that has punch lines that has setups and premises. It’s all fiction. So it’s unfair to the the artist to draw from their their art, you know, things that you think about them. In reality, there are two things are separate. It’s stand up fucking comedy, and that and that really, really was the issue for me. So I just wanted everyone to understand, because this is the other part that I saw by that, you know, I’m watching if I can, that, that prick on TMZ like, you know, clutching his pearls over the comment that he’s like, oh, not only did he say that, but but then listen to the audience. Like they’re all they’re all laughing like that was another, you know, another statement, a barometer of how far we’ve sunk in America because we were laughing at just blatant racism. No, we were laughing because we could tell in the room in the context of everything that was happening, that it was a fucking joke that I didn’t mean it. That’s why we were laughing. The laughter from the audience should have been the clue to you that the person watching the video that this was a joke and it wasn’t real. So you know that.

matt nappo 49:39
And I that’s exactly what I said when I said basically what you’re doing is indicting everybody who was in that room laughing. And I happen to know one of the people who was in that room with you. And I said, and if you look at his Twitter feed, you know, this guy’s not gonna laugh at racist material. So you’re you’re condemning this whole room of people because you didn’t need one grown up. or anything like that. And then there’s the fact that is five days or four days, he could have called a new Tony Hinchcliffe well enough to call him up and say I was hurt by what you said. And at least give him some heads up. I’m gonna talk totally destroyed, tried to destroy your career to boost my likes in

Brett Erickson 50:18
motion. And it’s interesting that you mentioned Brendan Walsh earlier because the same thing happened to Brendan Walsh not too long ago where it was it was a bit of a different situation where he was hosting a show at the Hyperion theater in LA, with Brendan small, the guy who created metalocalypse, right? I say that right? A very, very funny guy and a great musician. And they were doing a show called Bren today and Brendan and Brendan, and it was like this silly Lark kind of a show where they were basically what’s that, like Kathie Lee and Hoda, it was like, the fourth hour of Good Morning America where the hosts are kind of drunk on rosae and a little bit silly. And that’s that was the the vibe of the show. And Brandon was playing this guy who was a complete idiot. I mean, he everything he said was stupid, just the same kind of dumb stuff he does with the, you know, he’s always dressed like a neck brace on and he’s. And he’s that, and he introduced I can’t remember the girl’s name now, but he introduced some girl by commenting on her great tits. And then she did the show never said anything to him. She was even in, even in one of her bits. She sat on a guy’s lap, and it was like stroking his hair. Like, she was not offended that night, in any way. She knew Brendan was joking. And then a couple of days later, she wrote this blog. And you know, if you type out the words, he said, they look bad. And then she didn’t say who it was. She just said it was prominent la comedian. And then everybody jumped in I Oh, my God, this is the problem. See, women are they they’re constantly being viewed as as bodies and not brains, and blah, blah, blah. And then Brendan finally came out and said, Look, it’s me that she’s talking about, and I was Bob, you know, I was doing this as part of a character or whatever. And then all the people who knew Brandon kind of switched and went, Oh, yeah, that makes sense. But

matt nappo 52:25
that makes perfect.

Brett Erickson 52:25
But by that time, the Hyperion theater had already cancelled the show, Brandon small and Brendan Walsh don’t do a show together anymore. And it’s a fucking shame, because that was a really, really funny show in Los Angeles. And those two guys together, were fantastic. And somebody killed it. And in both in Tony Hinchcliffe case, with the guy who accused him of racism, and the woman who accused Brendon Walsh of being a sexist pig, both of them did it solely to advance their careers to be to be a victim of something to in order to put your name out there more. That sucks. Don’t do it.

matt nappo 53:04
It doesn’t last either. I mean, you see that, and I don’t even want to say his name, but the guy who targeted Hinchcliffe, he’s, he’s already kind of forgotten. Yes, he had 5000 followers in a single day on Twitter. And then it leveled off and he hasn’t had a new one since so well.

Brett Erickson 53:21
He’s got no material. He’s new here. He was in a perfect position because he was getting spots. He’d go up on kill Tony, this is a good thing. You’re in there, you’re in the community you want to be in. And what he did is he took a shot, he took his shot to man, it was like it. I mean, I look, I don’t know the guy. So you know, whatever

matt nappo 53:46
I was, I was one of the 12 people in America who was familiar with his comedy before that date. Oh, really? Yeah. And I had seen some of his stuff. And it was all about race, all about China being Chinese and the Asian experience. And I know for a fact that he had heard that word before. Because when Tommy Chung was on this program, he used it a number of times to describe themselves. And I know he watched that program because I had been in contact with him. So he likes to he lied to TMZ TMZ. Exactly. You know it, but it bothers me to see that kancil culture is still going on. And that I can’t talk sense into people who don’t see that if you push this on your peers, it’s gonna come back on you. It’s just the natural thing you kill with killing your own golden goose. And see that it’s because I’m a huge fan of comedy, and I want to see it continue to grow. And I think it’s not gonna if we more comedians embrace this thing to get their enemy or the competition, it’s just gonna kill it for everybody and it’s a very sad So it is

Brett Erickson 55:00
it’s a shame that we that we try to cut out. People, we don’t want success for other people, you know how I don’t know if anybody out there watching this is in the same sort of line of work where, where you, you have a colleague who has some success, and they tell you about the success and you’re happy for them, but a little part of you dies, like, because it wasn’t you it was them instead of you. That’s all it’s comedy is a hard business, because there’s a lot of that, you know, I I’m I’m far enough along in it that I see, a lot of good things happen to a lot of good people. And I see a lot of good things happen to people who I think frankly, don’t deserve it. So you have to keep your mind in the right place. And that’s not always easy to do. And that’s what, that’s what leads to this sort of shit. Where are we, where we’re happy to cut somebody loose without we don’t even want to know the context. Because we know that if we find out the context, we won’t want to do it anymore. So we got to cut the person loose, and get these numbers down so that we have a better chance of, of success. And you know what, here’s the thing, there’s enough success out there for everybody. It’s not I win and you lose, we can both win. That’s That’s how entertainment works.

matt nappo 56:17
And generally, I will say this generally, because it’s not always the case, you can’t worry about somebody else’s success. If that you know, you feel they don’t deserve it. But if the phoniest will expose themselves over time, I look at Milli Vanilli and people were really, really jealous of them when they had number one hits. But then, you know, when when they got exposed as being fake, their career was over instantly. And so that happens to a lot of people who are phony, you can’t worry about them, you have to worry about yourself and your own success. Absolutely.

Brett Erickson 56:48
Right. Somebody and somebody having success doesn’t mean you can’t have success. It’s not a zero sum game.

matt nappo 56:55
Right? Yeah, well, that’s a problem. We tend to look at everything as limited resources, but in certain areas that is true. I mean, we’re here on Long Island where New York where we used to have a probably 30 comedy clubs on Long Island, I think there may be three or four now and instead so it is it is a very

Brett Erickson 57:16
you’re gonna find more coming back. I think that you know, I read some stories. I don’t know if you’ve talked about this at all, but I read some stuff about how you know after the pandemic in 1918 when that kind of finally ended and everybody came out of it that led into the roaring 20s and the Charleston and everybody party and I think you’re gonna see some of that same sort of, you know, revival when we all finally get all the way back I think I hopefully you’ll see some more comedy clubs I certainly enough goddamn comedians to fill them

matt nappo 57:45
are no doubt about that. That roaring back type of because several months ago now, you know, we were still wearing masks to the club, get in the club, we’d be playing. And people were supposed to be wearing masks at the table in the masks. Were coming off there with dancing that being told, you know, try try not to let people sing along a dance. That’s like don’t Don’t, don’t make people laugh. No dancing, no dancing and singing. But people were having Minaj I was on the dance floor. This is like, and so that roaring back and ready to go. You lock people up for a year and a half when it’s bad. go wild man. Right? Yeah. So are you looking forward to getting you know, the Alaska trip with excite?

Brett Erickson 58:32
Absolutely, absolutely. The Alaska trip and then we’ll get back here. The club that Joe’s opening up will be opening up sometime this summer. So I’m very excited about that. Austin is is a really, really cool place. I know that everybody who already lives here is pissed off that we came. And I don’t blame them. I get it. You know, you got a cool thing going here. And now a bunch of assholes from California, New York just invaded your city. But it’s very cool. So there’s a lot of new clubs popping up here. A lot of places to go up and do stand up and there’s music everywhere. I think that’s gonna be like that all over the place. So I hope that wherever you are, if you’re out there, get out there enjoy some stand up comedy. Go see some live music. Go see somebody read goddamn poems just get out of the damn house.

matt nappo 59:19
Jay. Yeah, I agree. And I hope that happens too. I mean, it’s it’s been really it’s been open here. I’ve been playing since last Memorial Day. So it’s been a year since I’ve been out back performing every week. But it just went we finally lifted the mask mandate and all that stuff a couple of weeks ago. People are still a little shy about it. But I think that roaring 20s thing is, is Yeah, we’re going to happen and

Brett Erickson 59:47
I everybody comes out of the pandemic in their own way. Right, right. I mean, like, everyone, here’s how I don’t know how graphic we can get on your show. Can we get graphic on your show here? Here’s how you can tell you’re all the way over to pandemic. Here’s how you know that you’re done with it. When you get back to as eating, I think that’s when you know, you’re willing to just bury your face in some stranger’s ass. You are past wearing a mask, you know what I mean? Like I made it you are out you’re through the other side. Right? So that won’t be your barometer. Everybody.

matt nappo 1:00:27
One of the guests on the program, not too long ago told me about a guy who went to eat her ass on the first date. And I was like, wow.

Brett Erickson 1:00:36
These kids, man, these kids are wild. I used to do a bit about that, but how, like, because they get right in there. Remember? We used to do a two we call them rim jobs because you stayed around the outside you just sort of dabble. They’re just not for me. That’s not for me. I’m just you know,

matt nappo 1:00:59
it’s a little much. So um, and I know we’re over the eating I’m sorry to end we’re not gonna we’re gonna go a couple more minutes because because just just to watch that PE S Yeah, I didn’t even go to this one.

Brett Erickson 1:01:13
No, see, that’s the thing. If you if you get if it tastes that you went too far, if you taste anything, that’s alright. Because

matt nappo 1:01:23
you’re you’re absolutely right. I never I just want to say that my sponsors I we didn’t read the sponsor point at the beginning of the program because the sponsors asked me to bring it in and try to incorporate the guests with it and I blew past it didn’t even look at it. We’re an hour in and I never even mentioned entice me where you get your non toxic sex toys. The link is in the description as well. The idea is sex toys are made out of the same toxic materials that they banned from children’s toys so children children will put stuff in their mouth but sex toys are still continually made of that toxic stuff and people are putting mud plugs in and vibrators and all that kind of stuff. And

Brett Erickson 1:02:04
yeah, that’s a real those are real sensitive areas of your body to write obviously any orifice is going to have sore you know things that are delicate and shouldn’t be you know exposed to these chemicals. I enticed me

matt nappo 1:02:19
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Brett Erickson 1:02:45
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matt nappo 1:03:29
it’s so much more economical I mean ecological

Brett Erickson 1:03:35
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matt nappo 1:03:56
bye man I thank you so much for for this time your great insight into asset cleansing and and and the trends in seating. It couldn’t have been a better program Brett, I thank you very much for this so much for being here. I was great. I wish you great success and please you know come back again sometime and let’s go through it again. Cuz

Brett Erickson 1:04:16
I would really I would really like that. I’ll take you up on that. This was a lot of fun. Thanks for having me.

matt nappo 1:04:20
Thanks. And bye for now and be well. Alright, yep, see it but Brett Erickson folks, issues with Andy podcast. If you’re so inclined, you can go up to Alaska and see him next week. Although I’m not really sure where you can find out about the rest of his days. The website as you heard in the beginning of the program is not updated enough. There has to be someplace maybe it’s Facebook page, maybe Twitter, I don’t know where you find out where he’s gonna be playing by you performing by you. But we’ll come up and try to try on your own. I do my best to keep you informed. I hope you enjoyed this program tomorrow. I don’t have a program April Burke was supposed to be with me tomorrow. She has some kind of medical emergency she needs to postpone. We’ll be back. Probably rescheduling for next week unless I do a solo show tomorrow. So I’ll be here alone. Until then. I’m Matt nappo for the mind doc TV podcast. Thanks for coming. Have a great night. Bye for now.

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Unknown Speaker 0:02
. Kayla, welcome.

Unknown Speaker 5:08
Thank you for having me. It’s my pleasure to have you now how have we figured out that eastern standard time and Eastern day? They don’t know. They don’t. They don’t coexist. I, you know, I’ve done that for years trying to not confuse people, because if I put Eastern Standard Time, they’re gonna think it’s an hour up because Eastern State with we’re actually at our different standard from day like diamonds an hour difference. So I tried to unconfuse people, but sometimes it confuses people. I understand that. I don’t know how many people understand the difference between standard time and Daylight Time. We just don’t. It’s Eastern time. And when it changes from Eastern Daylight Time to savings, I’m still calling it just Eastern time. And that’s probably what I should do. Just Eastern. Right. So

Unknown Speaker 5:57
okay. Is it called Eastern Daylight Time for everybody? Once it’s daylight savings time? Is that what you’re saying?

Unknown Speaker 6:03
Yeah, except, you know what, I don’t know if it’s the same in Canada, that might be the issue. But yes, it’s Eastern Daylight Time from from now for everybody who set who does that book. There are parts of the United States who don’t do that. So like parts of Arizona and New Mexico don’t Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:19
I thought last week that I missed an interview, because when I looked at said Eastern Daylight Time, and then I looked it up and it said it was an hour earlier and I was like, Oh my god, I missed the interview. But then I hadn’t. So I couldn’t figure it out, you know?

Unknown Speaker 6:38
But no, it’s always it’s Eastern Daylight Time here. Now, eastern standard time doesn’t exist until we get to November.

Unknown Speaker 6:45
I didn’t know that. So see something new every day? Well, I’m in Eastern Daylight Time. Okay, good. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 6:50
I’m gonna learn something new today. So I guess I probably gonna learn a lot. I’m not you know, they say shoot you when you first wake up is the best time to learn something new. So I guess I’m ready. I’m ready.

Unknown Speaker 7:01
Do you have your coffee as it seems you do?

Unknown Speaker 7:04
I do. I’m sorry. I did not bring any for you. I’m sorry. Oh, yeah. So you just did a television interview? What was that for?

Unknown Speaker 7:14
It was for I believe, one of the the news networks here CTV, which is a really big news network. It’s the one I watch. And it was an affiliate out in Alberta. But it’s going to air tonight. And as these things happen, it might get picked up across other affiliates across the country. Let’s hope.

Unknown Speaker 7:30
Right? What is the via event? Do you have a book coming out now? Cuz I haven’t found anything. That’s a new release. Do you have something coming up? Very soon tonight. Tomorrow? Well,

Unknown Speaker 7:41
it came out last week, actually. And it’s for Mother’s Day. Sorry about this, like, okay,

Unknown Speaker 7:45
direct? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 7:47
yeah, a second chance for love. So it was released, you know, just last week in time for Mother’s Day. So people could have ordered it for Mother’s days. Still, of course can order it. But the theme is for different stories that feature mother’s in some way or capacity. And there are four different connecting stories in that the characters make an appearance in each novella, even though like I had my own story featuring my hero and heroine, but her friends are the other heroines in the book. So each character makes an appearance and the other one stories, we’ve created a sense of community in the fictional seaglass Bay. That’s super interesting. Sounds

Unknown Speaker 8:28
like it would be a challenge with from the logistic side of how you make that work with the other authors Am I am I over complicating it? Because it’s No,

Unknown Speaker 8:40
you’re right. It is a challenge. And I think probably the biggest challenge came to the editor. Because as she read each story and then if she saw the inconsistency is when she said a weight and story one, this happened. And in story for this or like this characters describe this way. Or in my story in particular.

Unknown Speaker 9:01

Unknown Speaker 9:02
created a an element where I used there was a nosy ants from another story and I brought her into my story to kind of metal with my characters, but then the timing, didn’t work for the neck character story. So there was a little bit of finessing and making things work in that sense. Yeah, definitely. Well, I

Unknown Speaker 9:20
think Carla Lynn Webb is the only one who has not been on my show so far. Do you know the other lady, other authors?

Unknown Speaker 9:29
I I’ve met them all virtually. I had not known them before this, but those three are actually good friends and they’ve known each other about 20 years. Oh, yeah, I was brought into this with them like they they’re used to working with each other. And they’ve now adopted me so that’s good.

Unknown Speaker 9:48
You know what I’m finding and and correct me if I’m wrong about this, because people in the creative arts and we’re from people on the audio side, we’re showing the book cover and from the website Right now because the extra that I grabbed wasn’t was not loading in for some reason. So I went to the website. So we’re showing the cover of the book. But people in the Creative Arts General can be pretty catty. But I think some reason, authors seem to be more supportive of each other. Maybe it’s just my illusion. I’m just wondering how real my perception is of that. Authors seem to be far less catty, far less jealous and envious and backbiting and all that kind of stuff than say, comedians, musicians, filmmakers, and that kind of stuff.

Unknown Speaker 10:34
To some degree, you know, there’s definitely, I think, probably because we work alone for the most part, you would say there’s less of that cattiness. But you know, there are times when, you know, if you hear that one author got a really great deal. I mean, we are supportive, but of course, there’s going to be some envy, you know. But then there’s also that sense of pride, like and saying, Oh, I know, that person. For example, right now bridgerton, that the number one Netflix series, is, has been is created by an author friend that I’ve known for years, we were pregnant together. At one point, we were writing for the same publisher. And now she has the number one series on Netflix in the history of Netflix. So yeah, what I love that success. Sure, but you know what, I’m thrilled for Julia? It’s like, absolutely amazing. And you know, you can’t help but be happy for her. You know, it’s got to happen to someone. You want it to happen to some point but I doesn’t detract from the the pride I feel and Well, yeah, if

Unknown Speaker 11:36
you definitely seem like you have enough to be proud of I mean, your your resume or your your short, but short version of your bio, is one of the more impressive ones that I’ve read from any of the officers and I’ve interviewed probably more than 250 officers now. Wow. Yep. So congratulations.

Unknown Speaker 11:56
Thank you. And I think that’s a good point, it’s to remember what you’ve accomplished, because it’s, it’s always easy to look at someone else and say, Oh, look, they did that. But then you go back and say, you know, I’ve done this and be proud of what you’ve done, and just keep keep working, we all of our stories are going to be different. And none of us knows what’s around the corner. So you know, you just keep, keep doing what you’re doing. And as long as I’m in the game, you know, when I’m adding if I’m if I’m no longer getting contracts, that’s what I’m going to feel bad. But as long as they’re still publishing my books, I’m good.

Unknown Speaker 12:24
Right? Well, before we move on to exactly, cuz there’s a bunch of questions I had, including what mainstream fiction? Yes, yeah. You know, I want to talk about your writing and the genres and where you get your characters and all that stuff from, but we have a lot of aspiring writers, people who are writing their first book, or have published a couple of books, my audience is full of these people who really are interested in becoming authors, this just or they’re just starting out or been in the game for a little while, and are extremely frustrated by the self publishing process. And all it be illusions of, I’m gonna just publish a book and become a sell, best seller and open, it’s gonna be calling me and whatever. What can you say to those people to give them either encouragement, or a taste of what the reality of life is? You know what, I

Unknown Speaker 13:23
think that everybody has to realize that behind the book is hard work. You know, so I’ve heard and I have a friend who said this, this very specifically to me, she asked me to help edit one of her books, and I did. And then she’s like, I’m going to put this out, I’m going to make $100,000, you know, just like, she mentioned a certain author, and it’s not fiction. She’s doing nonfiction in the self help arena. And I thought, Well, wait a minute, you don’t even you have no following. You have nothing. You’ve mentioned someone who’s fairly, you know, as well known enough? How do you think you’re just gonna come up with a self published book and make $100,000 you know, like this. And so people can have unrealistic expectations. It’s not just putting a book out there. And especially now with self publishing, pretty much everybody’s putting a book out there, you know, everybody and their dog. So you have to a put out a good book, you got to make sure you put in the work to write a good book, you need to make sure that you’re figuring out your craft, because you know, it to me, it’s a little irritating, that everybody thinks they can write a story, just because you can write like, because you’re just because you’re literate. You know, there is a craft to it. And that’s why, you know, people, that’s why a lot of people got rejected before they were self publishing, because you put something out, and it wasn’t well put together, maybe your characters were lacking, or the plot was lacking. So you have to invest the time in either taking some courses to help you in those areas, if you’re lacking to bring other people in to help critique it. You know, find editors don’t just put something out in unexpected to sell that you haven’t put much effort into. And then when you have when you put the book out, you’re gonna need to figure out how to promote it. So you’re going to either have to be doing a lot on social media, maybe hire someone to help you get out there. But, you know, it’s it’s a tough game. And there’s more, there are more people in it now. So, you know, it requires some hard work as well as the talent,

Unknown Speaker 15:14
right to do the major publishing houses depend on you working as hard to promote it as if you were self published?

Unknown Speaker 15:22
Well, you know, they do, yes or no, yes, it they love that you promote your stuff. And when I first came out of the gate, I was promoting everywhere, and I was going to every event and the publishers loved that, you know, in some way to take their job away from them a little bit. But they still also do the big things, which is to get, you know, your books into bookstores. And it is really hard for a self published author to do that. So just by being published with St. Martin’s Press, I’m guaranteed I can go into a bookstore and find my book, which, you know, if you’re self published, and the book buyers don’t know about you and bookstores don’t know about you, you can’t get that foot in the door. But terms of in terms of promotion, like getting you on shows and so forth. It’s often the publisher who’s best at that or you hire an independent publicist to help you do that.

Unknown Speaker 16:12
Or when you were describing the B sea of people who are self publishing today. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of podcasting since the since the lockdown started and all that stuff. We’ve had two new podcasts every minute. So yeah,

Unknown Speaker 16:30
Yes, exactly. And just because you have a microphone, like you said, just because you can write doesn’t mean you’re a writer, or an author. Just because you have a microphone and speak doesn’t mean you’re naturally a broadcaster and know the broadcasting game. And so I resonate with that. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 16:49
Yeah, yeah. So now, tell me a little bit about where you learned your craft from Why were you always a? Was it your dream as a little girl to grow up to be an author?

Unknown Speaker 17:02
It was I always loved stories. And I was writing from the moment I could hold a pencil. And in fact, my aunt tells me a story that I guess they had recorded. They were recording me on like a tape recorder. And I was like, let me tell you a story. And I was five years old. And of course, no one, the tape, I guess was lost or destroyed. But I would love to hear what five year old Kayla had to say in terms of a story back then that would be nice, but I don’t know. But yeah, I was writing from the time I could hold a pencil. So with any spare time I had in my life and my classrooms, I was jotting down stories. And then I was 13 when I found out that there was a contest, a novel writing contest. And the prize was $3,000. And that’s when it clicked. People get paid to write books. Oh, my God. I’ve been writing all these little stories I you know, you’re a kid, you’re enjoying reading, you’re not and you’re enjoying writing, but I wasn’t thinking I wasn’t even thinking about the books that I was holding like that, that this was a business, you know, I was just a kid. Right? And that’s, that’s when it clued in that people get paid to write books. So I started immediately writing a story to try to send off for this contest. And of course, I was I was handwriting it on paper from my school notebooks. And it was never would never have ever been good enough to send in, I’m sure. But it was called the agony of divorce. And I didn’t get to finish it. So I didn’t get to send it in. And it was about four friends and the drama in school. I don’t know why I call it the agony of divorce because my parents were happily married. But

Unknown Speaker 18:33
every fifth my kids,

Unknown Speaker 18:36
I don’t even know where that came in. I honestly don’t. But look that that was my first foray into trying to write family drama, because I think I like to do that a lot in my books. You know, no matter what’s going on, there’s some level of family drama and usually some marriage that we’re relationship that’s got some issues. So I started Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 18:56
Did you come from a big family?

Unknown Speaker 18:59
My family’s five people, you know, so my nuclear family just like my sister, my brother, my parents, and like a lot of extended family. There’s like a lot because on my mother’s side, she has like nine siblings. And you know, there’s lots of cousins and on my dad’s side, there were six of them. My dad’s family stayed in Jamaica, though. So my mom’s family had a lot of them come here. So that’s where I got most of the cousins.

Unknown Speaker 19:22
Wow, from Jamaica to Canada. I

Unknown Speaker 19:26
yeah, from Beauty and warps to you know, depressing winters where writers can only you know, that’s why you write if you didn’t know that yet. That’s why we that’s what I do writers in Canada. Wow. By the winters,

Unknown Speaker 19:40
I saw I’m corrected my first time I’ve been writing about any daylight savings time in my life. Thank you for verifying that. So you write in a lot of well, not a lot, but more than one genre and I think the trend is for people to really niche down as well. I’m a romance writer, I’m just gonna write romance. I’m a mystery writer, I’m just gonna write mystery. Does it hurt you to branch out? Because in the music business, I know they like to put you in a box? They want the same thing from you every time. Yeah. And I think most businesses are going to try to do the same thing, whether it’s publishing or So does it hurt you at all to be tab of right variety of genres and things that you like to write about?

Unknown Speaker 20:25
You know, I go back and forth on that in my mind with that very question. Because sometimes I look at other writers who do romance who have just stuck to romance just done romance. And, you know, in some ways, I feel their readerships are growing within the romance, because the readers like that, and they go back to that time and time again. But I always like to have more elements to my story, like I would like one of my editors said, Caleb, you always have to put some element of suspense, like there’s there have to be a dead body, there has to be someone getting stocked. But I also like that. So I always felt, I guess, to some degree, I was bursting at the seams to do more. So in one hand, what happened was when I sold my romance, and then the editor at St. Martin’s Press had kind of learned about the book and liked my writing, I had to do something different for them. So to not compete with the other publisher. So I couldn’t do romance for St. Martin’s and romance for Kensington books, because it would become a competition. So that’s where the mainstream fiction, which is kind of just general fiction, but still, I’d say more geared to women. That’s where that came in. So I did, and I was able to sort of pepper my books with some intrigue, and, you know, with some elements of romance, but the romance was not the focal part of the story. But it also allows me like, you know, if I do a romance now that I can do something a little bit different next time. But yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know if it works fully, because I’ve had, I’ve had some people who will read my more generalized mainstream fiction, and they really liked that. But then they might not necessarily like the romance so much, but I still think I have a lot of crossover readers. So it’s a balancing act,

Unknown Speaker 22:07
my my thought is that it might be a help. And I hope it’s a help because it would, it would encourage the industry to try not to tend not to put people in a box and make them try to, you know, stick to producing the same McDonald’s hamburger over and over and over again, if it helps bring people because I’m, I’m not a romance reader. I mean, if you look at me, I’m not the typical. But if I was interested in some of your other books that weren’t so much romance, I might tend to be more open minded to start reading some of your romance books. So it might help you attract a wider audience in some way. And I hope it does just for what the effect it might have on the business and realizing that, you know, not everybody is so narrow minded. And just yeah. And even people I would imagine, they don’t do enough analytics on this stuff. I imagine that people who read romance novels, people who are big fans of romance novels, they’re very open to reading other stuff. They just happen to like romance doesn’t mean you have to feed them the same Donald Samberg every night. Right,

Unknown Speaker 23:16
exactly. That’s how I was as a reader. And as a reader. I like some variety. So, you know, I’ll read across the board and, and I so I that’s why I hope that the readers, like you said can be like you more open, if you read something else of me that’s not romance and you’d like that, then you might read my romance and say, oh, cuz I like this author’s voice. And I like the story together,

Unknown Speaker 23:38
I bought and everything, whether it’s film, music, comedy, I or books, I buy the author, the creator more than I never look at the genre. So I kind of assume that it’s going to be somewhat near the same ground. So sometimes I’m shocked when somebody is in a film or something that just is a stretch for them. You never saw them. And like the first time I saw Bill Murray and it was a non comedy movie, it was Yeah. Coming of Age or something. And I was like, wow, I was a big fan of Bill Murray’s. And then, but I still love the movie. And it opened me up to that. So I by the Creator, the author more than I by the gentleman, I never think of john or when I’m when I’m shopping for something or you know, when I’m in the mood for something. So that’s Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 24:25
good point.

Unknown Speaker 24:26
Um, tell me about how a story comes together for you. Because every author is completely different again, 250 or so authors never never got the same response for how a story comes together for you. Do you have the whole story in your mind before you start writing? Do you just have the characters in your mind? Tell me a little bit about how it comes together.

Unknown Speaker 24:48
Okay, so for me, I tend to think about an idea first, like a big idea that can open a story and then I think about, well who’s involved in the story. What When, where, why? So I kind of think of the initial idea. And then I think about the characters and the situation around them. So, for example, I have a book that came out some years ago was my, one of my books for St. Martin’s Press called the Delta sisters, where I have, it’s three generations of mothers and daughters, and a secret comes back to haunt Grandma, after 50 years. So it starts with a murder. No, it’s kind of like 1950s, something’s going on. And I don’t and so then I, I really wanted it to kind of open with that bang. And that’s when I’m like, well, who is this? who’s involved in this? And why would this matter to this family? And oh, okay, so this is a, this is an upper crust family in New Orleans, where this kind of dirty secret has to be kept secret, you know, and then you kind of start figuring out the story from it. That’s at least how I do it.

Unknown Speaker 25:52
Hmm, interesting. And you mentioned earlier was kind of, I didn’t know how to react to what you said, you, you were writing with pencil. Yeah. But today, I’m imagining its word processor, or do you did you transcribe it, I mean, how have had the physical part of writing the book,

Unknown Speaker 26:15
it’s all way it’s all kinds of ways. But one thing that I like to do now is I like to dictate and, and for me dictating is, is probably the closest thing to pen and paper. So when I’m on the computer, you can start typing. And then like, by the time you’ve done page one, you’re going back over, you’re already revising, and you’re not letting the ideas and the words just flow. So pen and paper I find I’m just kind of writing and the ideas are coming down. So now when I dictate, I can just get the words out, and then go back and fix it. It’s just, it’s for me. And for every writer, I think we can get caught up in making it sound perfect. And that will slow you down. So it’s really so important to get the ideas out, get the story down. And then at least for me, revision, that’s where I shine. So I you know, I will go and sit down at the computer. But you know, it’s hard with a pandemic, cuz I’m going to tell you, I did my best work at like a coffee shop, you know, Starbucks at my coffee, I had all this noise around me. And I could work when I’m at home. The dishes are calling the bathrooms like, hey, clean me. So it’s been tough in the pandemic. So I find it a little bit better now with with me, even if I’m in the car and I start dictating, it will help the free flow of ideas. Alright, when you said did you work at like Starbucks? I’m thinking you sitting there talking to a dictation machine? No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, not there. At a point like that, I’ve got my Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Crazy writer, crazy, crazy person over here.

Unknown Speaker 27:50

Unknown Speaker 27:52
are you do you show up in your books in some characters?

Unknown Speaker 27:57
Definitely, you know, certain books certain character. I think I’ve always been in there in some ways.

Unknown Speaker 28:03
That No, you recognize that?

Unknown Speaker 28:07
You know what, I think the people that know me are always looking for themselves. Oh, like, you know, my first book admittedly had, I think it was a sister in the story who talked a lot. And yeah, I have a sister who talks a lot. You’d have her on your show, and you wouldn’t be able to get her off probably for a few hours. And she’s like, is that character me? And I’m like, you know, maybe, maybe I do I sorry, I got a watering. I don’t know why you’re making me emotional.

Unknown Speaker 28:36
I feel good about that. That’s my job.

Unknown Speaker 28:40
Yeah, like some stories, like I have a book called obsession, and a lot of that kind of key and it’s, I’m in that one a lot. I’m in that way dealing with like, kind of a relationship I was in where the guy was crazy. But you know, there was a lot of passion. And you know, sometimes I kind of realize the crazier ones are, you know, can be more intense, let’s just put it that way. But you know, also crazy, right? So I there I kind of put myself into that with some of the stuff that I went through in that book. And

Unknown Speaker 29:13
inside there that now I have to ask you because it’s I have experienced this not you know, to a major degree have that because people know you do this now people your friends and people in relationships, know that in some way they might end up in one of your books as it makes them more guarded about how they react to you because for a while that people knew that not everything in my life ended up in a song that was published and, and and or performed and people didn’t want to be on the wrong end of song that went bad and be the main character of it, that you find that with people in your life.

Unknown Speaker 29:52
Okay, you know, what I find is interesting. It’s it’s like, it’s like watching reality TV because I think in the beginning, they’re aware that there’s a camera on them. But then they tend to forget. So people often say, Oh, I shouldn’t tell you this because you’re gonna write about it in a book. And then as time passes, suddenly they’re telling me about it. And I’m like, Yeah, I might, I might write about. So they think about it, and then they lose the guard as they kind of just want to, you know, share whatever it is, but I feel other people are kind of like, No, no, I’m not gonna tell you this cuz you’re gonna write about it, and they hold they, you know, they’re, they stick their, their feet in the sand and keep whatever I’m like, you know, I’m not gonna just I’m not just writing about everybody’s stories. But you know, if there’s something kind of interesting, that’s unique. I might, I might have to borrow it, you know, they should feel happy.

Unknown Speaker 30:39
Gotcha. Yeah, I know. I know that experience. Well, so we’re about halfway through here. It’s good time to again promote the book and the the website the website for the people on the listening side, which is lion’s share of the audiences. Author Caleb Perrin, that calm it’s all one word author, Kayla parent, parent, P e. r. i And the latest book, the latest offering is called a second chance of love. It’s a cooperative work between four authors. Now I have to ask about this. Is, is this as rewarding doing a novella? Do you feel like, wow, I was just getting started, I bet on that story could be so much bigger. It’s a full grown novel that hit you, you’re doing these Co Op, you know, cooperation, I don’t know how to quote collaboration.

Unknown Speaker 31:32
Yeah. Oh, it definitely, you know, there are times when I’m I write, I tend to write long and my short, shorter stories tend to have the ability to go on. So yes, that is a challenge. And so for this one, I really tried to keep the conflict, you know, minimal and, and even, you know, this is a couple extra characters in there, like the the surrounding cast, but I have kept it minimal, because once I start going with, you know, giving them a little bit more life and so forth, my stories can go on. So yeah, no, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 32:06
That was satisfying for you. Because I would think, you know, you feel like a little bit handcuffed in some ways. No,

Unknown Speaker 32:13
well, you know, what I think what it’s good at is, is kind of teaching, you know, keeping you learning and, and honing your craft, okay, I’ve got to create create a conflict that’s sustainable for a shorter story, and still make it believable and get it to the end, that the readers feel that it was a satisfying story. So it’s another way to, you know, sort of hone your craft. And, you know, because then it’s not my strength to necessarily write short, I can do it effectively. But yeah, for the reasons I mentioned, I’m happier to kind of have a bigger story that goes on longer. But you know, this is, this is a fun change of pace. And it’s quicker to write as well, as long as you don’t overload yourself with too many elements you’ve got to cut out. But you know, it’s a different change of pace.

Unknown Speaker 33:02
Well, I’m on your website right now. And I should just kind of just bring this up and show people because they appear we have see a sea glass bay, bay romance book giveaway order by April 26. What is it? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 33:17
well, unfortunately, I have, that’s the one that I wanted to update my site. So that was if you ordered the book, before, by April 26, you were automatically entered into a drawing to win some seaglass. So the editor sister actually has a store. I think it’s seaglass, timeless creation, so she makes beautiful seaglass. But if you scroll back up to the Thanksgiving book, all of your anybody who’s listening or goes to my site, now you can click on the link and get that story for free. So it’s this, it’s the same authors in a second chance for love. So the Thanksgiving one, if you go up a bit, is called thankfully in love, or go down a bit, because

Unknown Speaker 33:59
I’m all the way up, go down.

Unknown Speaker 34:01
That there it is. So if you click on that link, it will take you directly where you can get the story for free. The whole thing, the novella version of it. So yeah,

Unknown Speaker 34:11
now I’m seeing a lot of these collaboration, I guess. I

Unknown Speaker 34:15
don’t know the first two. But these ones are mine.

Unknown Speaker 34:18
Yeah, undeniable. Oh, this one is this one is a collaboration as well, though, it’s

Unknown Speaker 34:22
not a collaboration. What happened with that is the the publisher decided to fold this line called commodity romance. So they ended up putting my book and this other book together. So became a two in one. Those are two full length novels that they put into one book.

Unknown Speaker 34:40
Gotcha. So that’s your most recent release. Now, you’ve published 40 books. That’s a lot. That’s a real life. Problem, perfect guy, I guess, man, you have

Unknown Speaker 34:52
to read them all. Now you have to read them all. That’s the requirement.

Unknown Speaker 34:56
I gotta get a picture of my back over there. I have at books I need to read from authors from four months ago that I haven’t gotten to read their books yet. The good thing about it interviewing so many authors is I get a lot of books. The bad thing about it is I just don’t have enough time.

Unknown Speaker 35:12
I know the feeling TBR pile the to be read pile is never ending.

Unknown Speaker 35:19
And every time I pick one up two more come in the mail.

Unknown Speaker 35:23

Unknown Speaker 35:26
So but that’s an incredibly prolific, you must be writing all the time and ideas come to you all the time. It’s not you. Yeah. So where do I get my ID? Yeah, where they come from,

Unknown Speaker 35:40
you know, they come from anywhere and everywhere, really. So some a lot, you know, when I’m sleeping, right? Sometimes it’s in a dream, or when I try to sleep and what keeps the keeps me up at night. I’ll think, Oh, this would be a good idea. Or sometimes I’ll hear something on the news. Or one time I was on a plane flying to Vegas, and there was a couple behind me. And they were talking about renewing their vows and how they were so happy. But then we were flying over Denver, and suddenly the wife says, I bet you’re thinking about her right now, aren’t you? And then as I was allegedly sleeping, I was trying to sleep and in all honesty, but when I heard that my ears perked up. And then they started to argue because the husband had had an affair. And you know, yeah, and then so then I’m like, Oh, you know, so again, being seemed happy. I’m hearing this couple happily going to renew their vows, then I hear the conflict. You know, someone had cheated, obviously, have you cheated, and the wife wasn’t so happy anymore. And you know, so sparks of ideas can come from anywhere. I keep my ears open all the time.

Unknown Speaker 36:42
Wow. Man, I want to know more about that story. But I want to I want to get that guy some advice. If you’re out there listening Mr. Derek Jeter. You shouldn’t be renewing your vows if you’re a cheater, go. Go be single.

Unknown Speaker 36:57
Yeah, you know what? And that’s I you know, and I wonder so many times why those guys are? were women just don’t want to just be single be single live that life. Just do it. No one’s stopping you. I mean, there’s no, just do it.

Unknown Speaker 37:12
Well, interesting enough. And maybe there’s a novel in this for you or an idea. somewhere down the road. I discussed the idea of monogamy with a lot of people because we have relationships I have, I interviewed tons of different kinds of people, relationship coaches, and psychologists and people like that, about the idea of monogamy and instead outdated. And because it sure seems to be with divorce rates so high and you know, infidelity so rampant. I just think in some ways. The human race is not necessarily cut out for long term monogamy at least for as we look towards the future, I think that’s a sad thing. Because I do, I just think there was a lot of value in, you know, nuclear families in mom and dad, and you know, Mom and Dad, we’re, you know,

Unknown Speaker 37:59
we’re committed to each other. Yeah. So it’s like, it’s like I said, I would always, you know, I would see my parents argue not all the time. But when they argued, I always knew that they would stay together. Whereas, you know, I’ve got married to a guy whose mom had cheated. And so when we argued for him, it was, it was like a devastating event. And ultimately, we got divorced. But I don’t think he ever could get over the fact that his mom had cheated. And she’d lied to him about it and moved him away saying, oh, Daddy’s coming. And he had three siblings. And as the youngest, he expected his dad to show up, he didn’t expect his mom to suddenly be moving in with someone else. So there’s a story there too. And that really messed with him, you know, and people react to things differently. And I think because he was young, and had she been open and honest, he might have been able to accept that more easily. But I think he always had a reservation in his mind about trusting women, because the big key figure in his life proved to be untrustworthy. Now, while I wasn’t untrustworthy, it caused so many problems on a relationship and it couldn’t survive. And ironically, he ended up being the one who was not trustworthy, and maybe because of all this psychology, if I had, you know, get her before she can get me I don’t know.

Unknown Speaker 39:13
Great. Well, does that play into your writing? Do you have Are you a somewhat a psychologist or you’re analyzing your characters and kind of getting into their heads or basically doing that with people in real life and then transferring that to characters in your in your work? You’re somewhat of a psychologist and

Unknown Speaker 39:33
i think that you know, what, I I think I am I want to wear that hat. And the one thing that I always did or people tend to do is come to me for romantic advice or relationship advice. So, in my books, I create characters like the one I just told you about my ex husband characters who are often you know, dealing with the stress and the reality of having been in a dysfunctional relationship for example. So in the My latest standalone release, the one that is they put the two books together, I have the heroine in the story is going back home, because her mother is now going to marry her biological father and the biological father and had a secret life with her mom. And now after his first wife has passed, he’s gonna marry this. This other woman is the one he had the secret child with. So of course, the daughter who is the product of the secret relationship is like, Have you lost your mind to her mother? Like, why would you do this, he denied you all these years, he was a cheater, and now you’re going to marry him. But there’s a complicated story that kind of shows that life isn’t always black and white, at least in his case, but she goes back to town to be there for her mother expecting the relationship to fail. And she’s so she’s not keen on love kind of girl. So for her even meeting this guy that now he was interested in her, it’s a tougher battle. And you know, sometimes I wonder if the readers like that, and I have some readers who just who love the reality of that, because, you know, maybe in the pages of romance novels, the security for some people is knowing that the guy is gonna meet the girl and things are gonna go okay, but I want to create this a little bit more realistically, where you meet a girl who maybe he’s got some issues or the guy has some issues, and you still know what’s going to be okay. But you see, the struggle that I deal with in my life, or my friends deal with, or people have dealt with, in reality to get to that happy ending. So just kind of make it a little more mad on dynamic, if that’s the word for it a little more complex,

Unknown Speaker 41:33
right? Well, it as I was listening to you speak there, or even before you got to be that that last part, I was thinking this probably probably determines who your audience is. Because I know a lot of romance fans when my travels are 1314 year old girls, but it doesn’t sound like doesn’t sound like those are the people who are you accordion accordion sounds like they would be more adult more in tune with the reality of Latin and the complications and how well do you know your audience?

Unknown Speaker 42:07
You know, you? You said that? And I thought, Gosh, am I like missing out on a 1314 year old audience?

Unknown Speaker 42:13
You don’t want? I don’t think you want them not? Because as you would say, Well, see, I’m not your target audience. But to me, what you were describing was realism, reality, and a sense of truthfulness, that Yeah, which is why I shy away from because I don’t like the idea of Oh, happiness and happy endings, and you get married. And that’s the end of the story. And they lived happily ever after. And that’s what romance represents to me. So when you were talking, you’re talking about all these complications in deep, you know, scars that people carry around. And people are complicated. And that appeals to me reality, you know, the reality of that, I think sometimes gets sugar coated, and are my perception of what romance is all about. So that’s why I’m not a fan of the agenda. But you describing it made me wonder why that’s a book I could read. That was the stories I could read. Of course, they would not be for teenagers.

Unknown Speaker 43:11
Yeah, that’s a good point. Because I think and that’s the difference between being like a teenager or a young person kind of going into falling in love with this blind, and I evety you know, like, Oh, it’s all gonna be wonderful. He’s just gonna whisk me off to Paris, and we’re gonna have, you know, this fantastic life. And then, you know, boom, comes the first heartbreak. And so I write about the people after they’ve had that heartbreak, you know, you’ll often find, in my book, you got a few women are sitting around bitching about their bad relationships, and they don’t necessarily want love, but into their lives, then come somebody who is great. And so you’re skeptical? Because in reality, I’d be skeptical. But then, you know, you go the distance, and you see, it’s the real thing. And, and then you really know, what’s the real thing as well, based on the scars, the battles and kind of how it gets there. It’s not just Oh, easy, wonderful, sweet. No, there’s been some struggle to get to the end, you know, they’re gonna make it.

Unknown Speaker 44:07
Well, what you’re saying, Now, this is a theory I just came up with, recently, and it could be wrong. But, again, meeting with some authors that I’ve read, I’ve met recently and read some of their work. It strikes me that in order and maybe I’m wrong about this, but in order to be a really, really, really good author, you have to be kind of a deep well and attracts me that you are an experienced person, a deep well, somebody who’s who’s lived and experienced life and know and been around the block a few times where we see people who just come at it from don’t don’t live a, you know, fair, indoor people, like you say they don’t get out much. And then because because introversion leads itself to writing that’s where a lot of writers come from from an introverted world and don’t have a whole world of experience to write for So they just sometimes a little too soft to about

Unknown Speaker 45:05
maybe that maybe that’s it because I you know, I’ve got too many experiences sometimes I’m like, you know what, I don’t need any more thank you I can do I got enough, but there’s always and then sometimes I wonder, am I attracting this like in the universe because it was you or to write about cuz I’m like I gotta I have to write about this now like Yeah, yeah I’ve got a new thing in my life that if this has to be written about but you know it’s there’s always something I kind of want that moment of just pause, relax and you know not have any drama but

Unknown Speaker 45:35
I mind me questioning the fact that your question that may made me kind of wait a minute of course you are. I know I know. And not to get too deep here. But isn’t this your purposes? Because it seems to me that you will, especially when when somebody like you, who comes and says they’ve been doing it their whole life is a calling me they felt their whole life? It seems to me that this is this is the reason you will put on honor to be a writer.

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Absolutely. No, I agree. And you know, you just you just said something. And I don’t know if you meant it that way. But it’s, it’s it’s my purpose. And now it makes me see like, I do know that when I have these experiences, it is for me to share or write about. But to see maybe that the the negative that I’ve gone through is actually a purpose to help my writing maybe. But I’ll tell you, the book that I wrote the Delta sisters, the three generations of mothers and daughters, I had a letter from a woman who said that my book gave her the courage to go home and face her mother, after 15 years of not talking to her, wow blew me away. Because the power of that because mother and daughter relationships can be complicated. So of course, it’s a Kayla parent book. It’s complicated. And to know that, that help someone like that. I mean, it was just, it made the writing of the book worth it just for that one response.

Unknown Speaker 46:57
I’m not one for getting goose bumps. But I and I think this is an important lesson for you aspiring authors out there. Because we do talk about purpose. A lot on this program. But until yesterday was was was the first time somebody brought it up in this context of purposes not I was meant to write purpose. Yeah, I was meant to write. And people were meant to read and use what I write a for, in some positive way. So attaching your purpose to something outside of yourself. Yes, I was born to be a creative person. This is my purpose, I’m on the right path. But the bigger part of my purpose is outward. It’s It’s It’s how I affect other people. And I think a lot of people are missing that part of the message of being on purpose. And so thank you for that. That was a really. And so now I really guess the answer to the most rewarding part of what you do is just that, right?

Unknown Speaker 47:56
Absolutely. Yeah. When I know that my stories have touched someone in their their lives. So it goes beyond the story or it goes, it goes to the power of a story to really affect a person’s life and reflect what people are going through. And that’s why for me, I write about the people with the scars or with the heartache, and, and how they get through it. Because I believe we still have to be optimistic and positive and we can get through it. But life deals, a lot of challenges. So, you know, it is rewarding when people can read one of my books, and it helps them get through some of the challenges in their lives. Amazing Good,

Unknown Speaker 48:33
good positive vibes here. I’m loving. I’m loving it. I’m really glad that we we got you on the program because I needed this conversation. It’s it’s uplifting, in a lot of ways gives me hope for, for the writing crap, because, you know, when you I don’t want to put anybody down, I don’t talk bad about anybody. But when you Oh interview as many people as I do, a comic told me this, he used to work in a comedy club when he wasn’t on stage. He said, I can’t stand I can’t stomach another bad act. And when you when you interview enough authors who are just struggling to try to make it and they just aren’t getting it the whole part of I need to do something bigger than myself and for more than myself, and yes, it’s about fulfilling my inner desire and need, but also fulfilling something for a higher purpose other than myself, I think so many people don’t get that. So I’m really, really inspired and, and grateful to have met you and had this conversation. So I just want you to know that. So thank you. Are you working on anything now for you must be as prolific as you are something for the future.

Unknown Speaker 49:48
I am and I have a few different things going through my mind, but I did just recently. Right and this is another as a shorter book that I plan to publish myself as an E book, but it’s going to be continuing story, and it’s called the Reverend. So it’s about a Reverend who, of course, is living this outwardly pious, wonderful life. But he’s got some secrets. So a lot of stuff is going to come to life and some drama. And it’s funny because I grew up in the church, and I wanted to I grew up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and I have a friend who jokes that it’s their bad Ventus. And when I talked about naming the book that or dealing with adventism, the book, my mother said, Oh, no, no, no, like, you can’t do that everyone’s gonna be so upset. But some of the stories I’ve been told, you know, about these people who are a church every week living this, Oh, I’m so wonderful life and like, you pull back the doors and the layers, you’ve got, like, some serious, you know, stuff going on that would shock people. So I it’s not, I haven’t written it about the adventures per se, but just about a bit of the hypocrisy. But still, it’s going to have some, you know, redeeming hope at the end of it, but it’s going to be a little more of a continuing saga. And I’m going to see how that plays out with the readers. Like that, you know, but it’s true. There’s a lot of that in the church. Come on.

Unknown Speaker 51:05
I’m almost speechless right now. And you probably have no idea why. So I’ll explain. Since I started a podcast couple years ago, I have been saying, I don’t believe in coincidences anymore, because things happen, especially on on the show. Wow, that’s just too much to be a coincidence for me. Now, this morning, I woke up an hour ago, I had this idea in my head, and I still can’t connect what it was. But I said, Wow, that’s really profound. And it was about the word reverence. And, yeah, and and about how there was a connection to reference and reverence. And I was like, this, and I can’t recall what it was. It’s like one of those things you’re supposed to write. When you first get out. You have a dream like that. But it was about this idea of reverence. And, and so but I had a Seventh Day Adventist preacher on who’s now an author who has written a book against the Adventist. And to be be somebody commented on it just yesterday that I need to get the other side the pro event Adventist side on it. Yeah. And I was like, I don’t know any pro Adventist. But after talking to the guy who laid out the hypocrisy of the founder of the advantage and all that stuff. I can’t imagine what the positive side must be. And then here it is. The next day, I’m getting a little bit of bad back at me. So there’s a lesson that the universe is speaking Exactly. Through this podcast. Yeah. Wow. God is trying to teach me something. I just have to open my ears a little bit or be a little smarter to understand what it is. But when you say, reverence, I was like, Damn, I was I was when I first got out of bed. Like, what is what is it with that? Now? What was what was they thinking about that?

Unknown Speaker 52:59
Wow, really heavy stuff. Oh, my goodness. That is? Wow, that Yeah, no coincidences. Right.

Unknown Speaker 53:05
Right. Right. I don’t think there are. Because, you know, as you know, I put out a calendar and I just tell people pick the dates you pick the day? Yeah. And often, I will get them lined up where we’re talking about the same kind of subject every day in a row. You know, last week, I had something about artificial intelligence and the threat it poses to humanity and, and, and robots and all that stuff. And that for those authors all in a row that they picked those days, but wow, you know, it’s so that can’t be a coincidence. You know, that’s crazy. Yeah. So. So when did you start? Have you started writing on on the side?

Unknown Speaker 53:49
I have that. So the first book is done. My only my question for myself, I could have put that out already. But it’s like, I want to have this maybe I should have the second one done closer to one, the first one comes out, because when people read that they might want the next one. But I might put that out probably in the next couple of weeks. And then hopefully the next one could be maybe within a month. But yeah, that’s I think, you know, it’s gonna be a continuing saga. We’ll see how it goes. We’ll see how it goes.

Unknown Speaker 54:14
All right. Now, most authors when they ask this question, they’re kind of hesitant to say because it’s a dreamy type of questions. But I think when, if I were to write a fiction novel, I would always be thinking, this is gonna be made into a movie someday. Do you have aspirations of something your books turned into movies?

Unknown Speaker 54:36
Oh, absolutely. We all have. I don’t think anyone says no.

Unknown Speaker 54:40
Oh, yeah, I’ve gotten quit. Oh, no, no. That’s too hard. Oh, I know. They’re lying to me. I mean, yeah. But with that in mind, have you have you tried making it easy for filmmakers by adapting your own screenplay?

Unknown Speaker 54:59
Okay. I Haven’t adapted my own screenplay. But you know, I did tell you I work in the film business, right I’ve so I’ve, and I have access to people who are who know what they’re doing. So if it’s it’s a matter of me getting some funding, I can do that. But I have an idea for a script that I could that could be shot in one, one or two locations to make it easy for budget. And,

Unknown Speaker 55:22
you know, my lady already.

Unknown Speaker 55:24
Yeah. Because I realized the constraints of having like, several locations, you know, a ton of characters, which is something that a lot of even script writers, because I’ve in that world to people who don’t want to have their first movie producer like, Oh, it’s got like, 40 locations, and it’s got a helicopter, and it’s got like a, an explosion. What are you talking about, you’ve got to come up with something that’s gonna be more character driven, you know, it’s got to have an interesting plot, but the character is going to push that story where you can shoot it in like one location if you have to, and go from there. So I’m working on that as well. So like, there’s always something percolating, but that is something I’m hoping to see if I can pursue or by the end of the year, I’m trying to line that up. Yeah. Well, I

Unknown Speaker 56:05
hope I hope you get that done. I wish you a lot of success. I think you’re a bright star in a very kind of dark landscape right now where we need more authors like you more deep wells, more people who come at it from a really realistic sense, and not not sugarcoating the whole world and making everything all bunch of fluff and just I really appreciate where you come from. It’s been great to get to know you, I hope. I hope things work out for you with this movie, or movie idea. I should thank you.

Unknown Speaker 56:37
Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 56:38
So if you have we left anything on the table that I need to ask you that I’m forgetting because I just woke up?

Unknown Speaker 56:45
I’m not sure we covered a lot. And you know, I guess you mentioned my website author Kayla parent, calm and you can find me, you know, go to my website, you can find my social links. But if you put in Kayla parent, you should find me. However, there are imposters out there but you know, either. Yeah, you know what the I looked up Kayla parent on Facebook. And I’m like, Who are these other six people? Like what? I was the only Kayla parent that I know for a long time. So I still feel like I’m the original and the you know, I am Caitlyn parent. I reject all others. Of course,

Unknown Speaker 57:20
of course you are the original. Now on that note, I feel terrible for people named Matt nappo. Because if you google them all you’re gonna get is Me, me me for about 150 pages. And some of the stuff I’m sure they are not, you know, your friends might be saying You did what? What happened to you What? So yeah, sometimes if you don’t, if there is a downside to being the the were the only one. And I I do appreciate that I will put all the links not just a website, the social links will be in the description. The audio version will be out tomorrow, but the video version should be out this evening. And so all the links will be in the description there. I do appreciate your time. wish you great success. And please, when your next book comes out, please do consider coming back and then let’s help you get the word out there to the to the masses.

Unknown Speaker 58:11
Thank you so much. I’ve had such a great time chatting with you today.

Unknown Speaker 58:15
I’ve had a great time too. I really am happy I got to know you and happy you’ve been on the program. And hopefully some people out there not just me Will I’ve learned something from you today. So I appreciate you very much. And I wish you great success. And bye for now. Okay, bye. Thank you. Bye, Kayla parent, folks. Wow, what a great What a great inspirational author today. Great way to end the week. Yeah, I’m on a high now. And the coffee hasn’t even kicked in yet, folks. So really, really I just thought my big takeaway from there is, you know, again, and this is something I’ve come up on will come up with just recently but it really does take more than just being able to write a pretty sentence, one or even a bunch of pretty sentences right after another. It takes a world of experience deep characters. Deep character development only comes from knowing people and experiencing the world. And so that’s you know, you want to be a great author. You want to be a great author do what this lady does, and that’s it. That’s just live your life. Live your life. be interested in life be interesting people keep your ears open your eyes open, always, always interested in stories. That’s my takeaway. I’d love to hear what you think about it. And follow up mind dog info at mind dog No shows this week and we’ll be back Monday we got Monday. It’s too far away for me to think about right now. Another oh actually. Mother’s Day is Sunday night and I’m going to be in trouble with this with my wife. I have an Australian also Liz put her on at 8pm. Eastern time. I’m not sure what time is in Australia all the time. Always time. So it’s going to be 10 o’clock Monday morning for her. It’ll be 8pm Sunday for me. Right here at my dog I hope you’ll join me then 8pm Eastern Sunday night. Thanks for coming. I hope you have a great rest of your day and bye for now.



Robert J. Sciglimpaglia – Belair Productions – Voice Over Legal

Robert J. Sciglimpaglia, Jr. is an award winning actor, producer, best selling author, and attorney in the fields of entertainment, copyright/trademark, personal injury, and real estate law.His book Voice Over Legal”. covers all the legal aspects of becoming a voice-actor, from starting a business and establishing an LLC, to the proper contracts required to work as a voice actor. It also covers some of the basics of the business like agents and Performance Unions, such as SAG-AFTRA. Just two years later, his book was the #1 best-seller in Amazon’s entertainment law category.

Robert has a production company, Belair Productions, that has three short films that have brought home a combined 75 awards (and counting), which are running the festival circuit and are available for streaming on Amazon Prime and other platforms. Robert has appeared on National Television many times. He is best known as the DAD on the 2012 Chevy SUPER BOWL COMMERCIAL, HAPPY GRAD. He appeared on HBO’s “The Duece” and has appeared several times on Travel Channel’s “Mysteries at the Museum”, Discovery ID’s “My Dirty Little Secret”, History Channels “Engineering an Empire”, a Recurring Role on Discovery ID’s “Watching the Detectives” and several others. He has appeared in a Guest Starring role on “The Perfect Murder” and “I’d Kill for You.” Robert’s very first venture into the acting field was a show called “American Experience: Hijacked!” which aired nationally on PBS-TV and was narrated by Campbell Scott. Since that time, he has appeared in numerous national projects with many big name stars, both in acting and voice overs such as: Hugh Grant, Drew Barrymore, Brad Garrett, Kristen Johnson, Patrick Dempsey, Susan Sarandon, Amy Adams, James Marsden, Denis Leary, Tatum O’Neal, James Gandolfini, Michael Imperioli, Edie Falco, Uma Thurman, Will Smith, Russell Crowe, Denzel Washington, Tina Fey, Alec Baldwin, Chris Noth, his friend Ian Ziering in Sharknado 2, Lance Henriksen, Robert John Burke, Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro and numerous others.

Besides television, he has done many film projects in leading or supporting roles. Most recently he shot a short film called “Within and Without” that he produced as well, where he won several best actor awards, and the film has won over forty festival awards. He also shot a Sci/Fi project where he is lead actor called ONE, starring opposite LANCE HENRIKSEN (“Aliens, Close Encounters. Millenium). Prior to that he shot another film with Lance and ROBERT JOHN BURKE called “BEING” and prior to that he shot a Romantic Comedy called “Get Happy!” in a supporting role, “Robert Robbins.”One of his most notable roles was a film called “Home/Sick” where he played the lead character suffering from agoraphobia. His portrayal of the character was so real, an actual sufferer of the disorder wrote him to express that to him. The film finished in the Top 10 out of 400 films for fan favorites in an on-line film competition. Other roles include films called “The Maltese Murder Mystery” where he played the supporting role of “Tony Figlia”, “A Fine Layer of Darkness” which premiered at the HFC Film Festival, where he played the lead role of “Samuel Halford”, “E:8 Think Tank”, “Mind Morgue” and “Demon of Lataran” produced by Legion Films, and a short film called “Il Portiere (The Janitor)” which won the San Marcos Film Festival, where he played the lead role of “The Janitor.” He has also worked on big names films like “Music and Lyrics”, “Enchanted”, “American Gangster”, “Julie and Julia”, Oscar winning “Man on Wire“ and “Life Before Her Eyes”.

Robert also played the role of Howard Wagner in a recent production of “Death of a Salesman”, as well as leading roles in the off Broadway plays “Tables”, “Downsized” and “Assaulting a Vagina” and “Widow’s Paradise”.


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Joe Rogan | The Amazon is a Colossal Mystery w/Graham Hancock

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1284 w/Graham Hancock: