Welcome to Billy Bert Productions! In this clip, Bill Burr and Joe Rogan talk about why Joe decided to go with the Spotify Deal, other companies that tried to team …
Category: General Interest
Going on the Joe Rogan show can change your career for the better, going on Howard Stern can just have a shrinking audience call you boring. … does Howard …
Brett Erickson is a comedian and writer based in Austin, Texas. A fearless, back-of-the-room comic’s comic, Brett delivers a dynamic, free-form show that’s consistently out front of anything any other comics are doing. It was just this sort of brave, bold, damn the consequences style that led legendary comedian Doug Stanhope to take notice and call Brett, “one of the funniest comics working today.” Quick on his feet and a great joke writer,
Brett is becoming one of the most popular acts in L.A. with numerous appearances on Roast Battle at The Comedy Store, a competition he has only lost once when he was defeated by a fat, bald jerk who should just go back to London! He is the creator, writer and editor of the satirical Brietbart parody website, Brettbart. A “News” organization that’s been called a brilliant Onion-style takedown of the alt-right.
Follow Brett On Twitter to know when and where he’ll be performing: https://twitter.com/iBrettmypants I
MinddogTV PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/minddogtv
matt nappo 0:25
And welcome my friends to yet another episode of the mind dog TV podcast. I’m Matt nappo. Thanks for coming. It’s great to have you here. As always, we’re gonna have some fun tonight. Just a brief programming note before we get started. April Burke was supposed to be with me tomorrow, great comedian, local comedian. She’s not going to make it tomorrow. She’s got some health issues that came up. We will be rescheduling probably early next week, I’ll let you know when that’s gonna happen. We have a great comedian with with us tonight. You know, stand up comedians, generally, for the most part, very intelligent, very smart people. There are a few exceptions. But even like, those few exceptions, are pretty intelligent in in a lot of ways, and some of them are intentionally dumbing down the material to play to a larger audience for a bankroll. So they’re not all that stupid. So let’s just take it on face value that stand up comedians are smarter than the average bear type of person. Now, my guest tonight is known by his peers, his contemporaries and fans. As a very smart comedian, somebody who is very cerebral in his comedy, you need to think about it. You can’t just get her debt. I’m sorry, I didn’t want to go there. But let’s just say he’s smart among the smartest. So it’s my pleasure to have him here tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, please open your ears, open your minds and help me welcome in Brent Erickson to the mind. Oh, TV podcast. Brett, welcome. That’s exactly what I was talking about that bad, bad. trying to think of the look I should have. Well, you see the, the idea. The idea behind that intro is to put all the pressure on you, and all the expectation that you’re going to be really smart and really funny, and zero expectation that I might even come close to being smart or funny. So I
Brett Erickson 2:24
will find out. I can’t I cannot guarantee you that I will be smart, but I can guarantee you. I’ll be drunk.
matt nappo 2:32
Okay. Well. Thanks for having me on. It’s my pleasure to have you on and I got to tell you, bad eight months ago on the show, I made a really bad prediction. I said that. If comedians were stocks, I would urge everybody to put all their money into bread, Erickson, my thinking was that I had heard everybody was making an exodus from LA, which I think is the epicenter of comedy on planet Earth. And go into Austin, Texas, and I said, Brett’s gonna be the only real comedian left in LA. The spotlights gonna be on him. All of a sudden, he’s gonna get all this attention. You can see HBO calling, and he’s gonna have specials. And now I understand you’re in Austin, Texas. Yeah. Yeah. What was that you said about being a smart guy. Wow. Yes, grab that bullshit. I’m in Austin, Texas, man. So what is the aside from any income tax? What is the real benefit of being located in Austin, Texas for the comedian’s.
Brett Erickson 3:36
I can only speak to the real benefit for me being in Austin, Texas. And that is the fact that my wife has been hired to manage Joe Rogan’s new comedy club. So when that happens, you go, Wow, congratulations.
matt nappo 3:51
Brett Erickson 3:54
you. Wow. Thanks. She’s great. she’s a she’s one of the best goddamn people and bartenders in equal measure that there is and she was the, if you’ve been to the Comedy Store, you may have seen her she ran the VIP comics only bar in the back. And yeah, so you know, she hit it off with all the comics too. And now she’s gonna be running Joe’s club. So that’s pretty exciting. So yeah, so we decided to come to Austin, but I’ll tell you, I do I do enjoy Los Angeles very, very much. So I do miss it.
matt nappo 4:29
Yeah. I didn’t know Rogen was opening the club. Good for him. Yeah. Gotta do something with all that money. Probably. Yeah. And to figure out what what he could do with all that extra gas now. So I understand, I think anyway, I understand because I went to your website to look at dates and I didn’t see it, but I understand you’re going to Alaska. I this is what I
Brett Erickson 4:50
love about you. This is how much of a professional this man is. I looked at on the tweet you put out today about the show, and I looked at my bio that you You, you cut and pasted from my website, and I noticed that you’ve updated it for
a real professional operation. Oh, I already forgot the question. What was it Alaska? You’re going to go into it? Yeah, I don’t here’s the thing. I don’t update my goddamn What? Does anybody updated their actual website anymore? No, I don’t know that they do. I think I already spend more time than I want to on social media. I, I recently have been pulling back from social media, just because I needed to for my head, my brain. And, and I like that when I started out doing comedy, there wasn’t social media, you know, you you called the comedy clubs, you sent them tapes. They hired you. They did the promotion. You went to the show. That was it. I liked it that way. Now, obviously, I you know, old man yelling a cloud right now, but it’s not the way it’s gonna be. But I just you know, there’s just too much of that shit. And I definitely not I didn’t get into stand up comedy to be a website designer. No, I can’t, you know, so I so I don’t so but I but to your question, I do remember it now. This time, I am going to Alaska. I’ll be up in Alaska. Next week at chilkoot. Charlie’s on the 10th 11th and 12th of June so if you got any people up there in Anchorage, come on out. The Kyoko Charlie’s is a legendary place.
matt nappo 6:38
I was looking at my demographics. And my analytics today to notice I have, I think 30 unique listeners. And there you go.
Brett Erickson 6:48
Look, I’m not even lying. Luckily for me, I am just at the level of success where 30 people would make a big difference. So if even some of them come out, that’ll be nice. And our good friend from the issues with Andy podcast, Mr. Greg shaylee. will be there with me in Alaska. And you could see him too.
matt nappo 7:11
If you’ve had. Have you done Alaska before? Many times? Yeah, I’ve been up there a lot. That’s why I’m asking you why I even brought up Alaska. When you go there? And do you feel like you have to make your material even more edgy or as edgy as possible. Knowing the audience is going to be rapists, murderers and killers. Yeah, yeah.
Brett Erickson 7:36
I dial back my, my liberal politics a little bit. Yeah, because everybody’s got a gun.
matt nappo 7:47
Well, I’ve had several guests who went to Alaska and ended up doing eight or 10 years in jail. See, at probably a handful of probably maybe five or six people who actually went to Alaska for a good time or vacation a fishing trip and ended up going to jail for assault, robbery or something. It seems like a very wild west place and doesn’t seem like a good place for it. Yeah,
Brett Erickson 8:15
yeah, I’m not I you know, it’s interesting because shaylee and I and his lovely paramour, Tracy, and a few other friends are going to go after we do the shows. We’re going to get in an RV and we’re going to drive up into Denali National Park to see Mount Denali, the old Mount McKinley, for you old timers, and we’re gonna go camping for a couple of days. And that’s gonna be exciting, because it’s gonna be the summer solstice.
matt nappo 8:43
I bet you The weather is better there than it is here.
Brett Erickson 8:47
It’s amazing. It’s 24 hours of sunlight. And it’ll be you know, nice 50s to 70s I think something like that. I’m guessing I don’t know what the temperature is going to be. But the goddamn sun’s gonna be out at midnight. And I’m excited to see that that’ll be.
matt nappo 9:00
Well, a good luck and I hope I hope you make it back to Austin. I really do and don’t. Don’t go to jail. Don’t hang out with any day. Show.
Brett Erickson 9:09
Here’s the deal. Greg Chaille. used to work at Chilkoot Charlie’s. That’s how he met Doug. Stanhope and Mitch Hedberg and all the guys that he’s worked with through the years and how we ended up meeting. So he’s a veteran. He lived in Anchorage for 10 or 15 years or something like that. And he’s like my little Mount Everest Sherpa. You know what I mean? Like, I’ll stay close to him. I keep a hand on his back. Like I’m a blind man crossing the street. And I’ll make it back to Austin,
matt nappo 9:34
where we keep a hat on and cover cover that because I would think in Alaska probably doesn’t go too well. Yeah,
Brett Erickson 9:41
yeah, he does look like it looks like a chicken just hatching from its egg.
matt nappo 9:48
Brett Erickson 9:52
Tough to chicken hair popping out.
matt nappo 9:54
Well, it seems like a nice chicken. I I noticed the few times he’s meant to me he’s called it mind Mad Dog radio. Yeah. Which is not good at reading. He’s a bad reader, but actually I he’s kind of psychic because that’s how I got my start. 35 years ago it was mad dog originally and I was on the radio, but he would know that
Brett Erickson 10:17
let’s talk radio where you sound definitely. As soon as I heard your voice, I thought this is definitely a radio guy. Did you know that I was a radio guy. I know that well, maybe maybe if I updated my goddamn website. I have my violin. I was a I did radio in Illinois. I grew up in Illinois and I graduated from college I went and started working in Peoria, Illinois and radio and yeah, big time. And I had a morning radio show at a couple different stations for a while in the 90s. And I thought well this doesn’t seem like it’s going to be around forever radio and and then I got fired from a couple stations and I just said fuck it I’m gonna go do stay I’d been doing I was doing a little stand up as a time just because I had all the I did what you what you’re doing I had all the I interviewed all the comedians on my my radio show I hosted at the club in town. And then when the radio station told me to take a long walk off a short Pier, I said, Alright, I’ll I’ll do stand up for a while. And that was in 1999.
matt nappo 11:26
Yeah, wow. Yeah.
Brett Erickson 11:28
Yeah. I love radio though, man. I loved it. If I didn’t see that, you know, it looks to me like towns like Peoria and even a little bigger. We’re drying up for radio broadcast talent
matt nappo 11:43
everywhere it is and especially at that time with everybody going to satellite and I think satellite is even on its way out now giving away to digital streaming radio and that kind of stuff. But when I was there I got in it for I was doing an overnight show with crazy people. I mean, UFO people Bigfoot people. Go gigs, all that kind of stuff. My dad. Yeah, that’s cool. Right? You an Art Bell fan? You probably get asked this. Yeah, of course. I had him on my show a couple of times interviewed him a couple times. I had the other Art Bell on just a couple of weeks ago via the other Art Bell being the guy who founded Comedy Central. Who’s that? Do I know that? I Belk founded Comedy Central Oh,
Brett Erickson 12:28
there’s a he’s name is actually Art Bell. There’s Yeah. I thought you were gonna tell me you talked to George Nori. No, I
matt nappo 12:37
talked to Jeremy north. No,
Brett Erickson 12:42
I used to love art. Well, I’ll tell you, you probably know this from talking to comics, especially if you talk to guys who were road dogs in the you know, 90s and early 2000s. Art Bell was just a part of it. Because you drove you were always driving overnight somewhere. And this was before you know Sirius XM and all that shit. You just you drive across the Dakotas. And you’d get Art Bell for a while when you were outside of appear. And then you drive and you’d be trying to make it to Bismarck and it fade out a little bit. And then you’d have to tune it in on another thing. And Eddie catch it again for a second. I used to love that shit.
matt nappo 13:17
Yeah, I did too. And I used to travel because I was you know, doing going from different band to different band at that time while he was on the radio. And during the night, he would try to tune him in wherever he could got a little spooky when you were all by yourself sometimes going from two o’clock in the morning and you’re listening to that stuff. Yeah. But what really burnt me out on that it’s just the whole conspiracy stuff. And I thought at that time, it was getting to it was getting over overloaded with conspiracies and people just going nuts and never saw the place where we beat today. Unbelievable. It’s really insane. So and I know that you’re among the let’s bring in that banner. So we can kind of promote the issues with Andy podcast a little bit. Yeah,
Brett Erickson 14:08
take my stupid fucking website down off the bottom of there. I know one don’t go there unless you want to see the updates. on issues with Andy, that’s where you go for
matt nappo 14:19
that. That’s an older picture from about 13 episodes ago, but patreon.com slash issues with any brand is one of the four co hosts on that program. Now, I know where the name came from, but the concept of the show seems to be and maybe I have it wrong. Maybe there was no concept. Let’s again, let’s get together and do a podcast but it seems to be let’s let Andy talk your role seems to be to keep the public informed of where Andy’s going and kind of fill in the gaps of the things he forgets to say and Charlie is there for the comic relief with the images and stuff and then Chad just drinks and smokes, and then when everything is said, Yeah, but what was their intent a content meeting that said, what are we going to do? Or you guys just said that let’s get together and have a podcast? Yeah, it
Brett Erickson 15:10
was definitely more of the latter. And then it just sort of became the Well, I mean, it worked out perfectly, because we ended up calling it issues with Andy because at the beginning, and he kept having problems, figuring out how his computer worked and how Skype and he couldn’t get this and his microphone wouldn’t work. And we would all be there and we could hear him and see him but he couldn’t see us and he’d be going back to me because it is screaming and messing with stuff and we’d laugh at him. So that’s how we came up with the name and then but it it kind of just organically became his vehicle. I mean, it was just for friends hanging out to do a podcast. And it’s just it’s such a good vehicle for the mind for his brain.
matt nappo 15:56
Brett Erickson 15:58
it really just you know, it it I have absolutely no problem. I’ve known Andy for so long. I have a he makes me laugh so hard that I have no problem. I don’t consider it taking a backseat. It’s more like this show is like Abbott Abbott, Abbott and Costello and it takes three Abbott’s to rein in one Costello in this case, because Andy’s fucking crazy but in a beautiful mind sort of way. And I think we described at one time as, as the three of us exist as those, those rubber bumpers that they put in the bowling alleys when the kids are bowling. The ball doesn’t always go in the gutter. Ghandi will be telling a story and he hits the gutter over here. And then we got to bounce him back into the middle of the lane. Then he hits it over here. We send him back this way. And it’s a damn blast. I love it.
matt nappo 16:53
Yeah, well, I have to say and no smoke. It’s the absolute best use of podcast technology ever got it? You know, it’s I don’t know if it was accidental. But it’s a stroke of genius, the way he is allowed to just kind of freestyle and you guys serve your roles. I noticed on a episode about three weeks ago that you and I were in sync on a therapeutic level of Oh, wait a minute, we’ve had a breakthrough here. When Andy was talking about porn film, he got aroused. As a young man about running at Marilyn chambers running at the same moment and hit me it’s like, wait a minute. This means something we’ve we’ve cracked the guy’s psyche a little bit. Has he developed and grown from that from that piece of it?
Brett Erickson 17:48
You know, that particular piece of enlightenment? I’m not sure sometimes I think it he’s a little bit like a bucket with a hole in it.
You know, like, you fill it up at full and then it’s not full again, you got to fill it back up. He so I don’t know that he keeps it connected. But that was something because I’ve I’ve been with him. I’ve traveled with him numerous times. And he’s that’s not new behavior. Being always being close to running out of gas. And then when we find out that was the plot of the very first porn he watched with free molesting him, it was like, whoa, wait a minute here. I’m not a fucking psychologist. But I think we might have gotten to something.
matt nappo 18:29
I think if you came across as somebody who had some therapeutic cognitive therapy training or
Brett Erickson 18:35
something. It’s not that you know what it is? It’s comedy training. Because all as I was thinking callback, that’s a callback to an earlier joke. on an earlier episode, it just happened to you know, it’s like the Venn diagram where comedy callback and therapy crossover and that was the middle part right there. And that was great. Great. Good. Andy was on here before, right?
matt nappo 19:00
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love Andy and I was trying to be be you three guys and try to just let him talk that whole time. But it’s such an interesting guy and what uh, what, uh, you know, I tell my wife stories about his life is like, because people think I’m interesting, you should write a book. It’s like, you gotta you gotta check out issue for fun. I had a psychic on the program who wanted to do a reading for me. And she said, I might embarrass you. I think you’re afraid to let me talk. Talk about your secrets. I said, No, I’m an open book. And she started talking about some of the shit that she picked up on me. And, and then I said, you know, yeah, you could say that. But I and here’s the real deal. And I told her, and she went, Wow, sorry to hear that. And basically, I said, well, everybody’s got some fucked up shit, right? Not that fucked up.
Brett Erickson 19:53
Well, you could write it all down, but just don’t put the book out till you’re dead. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You never No.
matt nappo 20:00
So you talked about callback to another joke. Where, as I mentioned, you are a cerebral comic. Now, a lot of the things. If I compared you to the like the blue collar, guys, you’re you have, you have to come with your brain intact. You can’t be too stoned to go to your show, and think you’re gonna laugh a lot, because you have to think about it. This, you mentioned earlier, you know, 30 people would make a big difference at this point in your career. Do you think because you you don’t compromise and don’t dumb it down? That hurt your career at all?
Brett Erickson 20:35
Ah, maybe? I don’t know. But I don’t. I don’t do it. I don’t, I don’t think about it like that. You know what I mean? And I don’t I don’t measure success in in just in dollars. I, I am a happy person. And that’s what I do fuck about I I started doing comedy in the late 90s. And I just did it in the Midwest because I have two kids and I was divorced. And I were had joint custody of these kids. And I was doing the road all the time. And I just wasn’t home very much. So then I I stopped doing the road all the time, I got a full time construction job. I worked at the comedy club on the weekends, and I stayed in Peoria, I went to volleyball games and soccer games and and you know, Christmas programs and shit like that. And that hurt my career more than anything that had more than, you know, cerebral comedy or whatever. That hurt my career. But it made me a happy person. So there’s no way I would do it any different. I have a great relationship with my kids. They’re there. They’re healthy, well adjusted adults. And it you know, after they both were out of high school, and they were in college, and often different cities doing their own thing. That’s when the the old lady and I picked up and took off and went to LA. So you know, I’ve only been really attacking comedy full time in these last few years in LA and now Austin. So you know that that’s it? If I had, you know, I don’t regret it is what I’m saying. I have I’ve had a blast, and I still get to do the comedy I get to do. I’m, I’m happy with the results. You know what I mean? I I don’t answer to anybody else. I do it the way I want to do it. And guess what else when I don’t feel like doing it? I don’t fucking do it. It gets like, I work with some of these guys in LA and I have the utmost respect for some of these kids hustle like you have never fucking seen there. They do three or four mics and night, their fucking lives or stand up comedy. And I respect that. And I think that’s amazing. It just ain’t who I am. I don’t give a I don’t give that much of a fuck. I like it. But I like doing other shit too.
matt nappo 22:59
Oh, God, attitude, man. I relate to that in a big way. And I’ve tried to tried to preach that to some people. Not that I yeah, everybody’s different. You know, everybody’s got to do what they like to do. But, you know, I’ve had a lot of musicians who crave fame. And I like, you know, I’ve been down that road and chased fame when I was young. But I’ve seen it destroy people’s lives, too. So I got happy being a club level musician, staying within the tri state area here and not going out and being national stuff. Because Yeah, as long as it makes me happy doing what I do when I want to do it, and I pick and choose the work I want to take and not necessarily just taking stuff to keep working and stuff. Yeah, I think that that is a much better way to stay happy if you’re of that mindset now.
Brett Erickson 23:45
Yeah. You know, I mean, I, I wish I could claim some sort of, you know, philosophical genius and understanding, it just sort of worked out that way. You know what I mean? Like, I fell, I kind of fell into the right decision. I didn’t feel like with my kids, I had much of a choice. But you know, I felt good about it. Like, I like my kids. I like hanging out with them. So you know, it was all good. And that it’s been a perfect kind of recipe for me, you know? Right. So
matt nappo 24:16
So, with that approach now, when you’re on stage, and I haven’t seen you live well, I’ve seen you stand up is to video. So I don’t know, I’ve never been in the same room and I know it’s different there. But it seems to me your confidence with your material. And this might be just smoke and mirrors because you don’t you know, you never see in your psyche. But you seem extremely confident more so than a lot of comedians with the ability to let a premise breathe and set up something and give it a second to sink in. where other people are just and we talk about Radio fraid of dead air. You seem to be very comfortable with putting that out there. Am
Brett Erickson 24:58
I wrong? You’re not wrong. I’ll tell you what, that’s a really good observation. And it’s the radio thing that drove me to it. Because when I started doing stand up, I was definitely not comfortable with that silence because of the radio, you cannot have dead air. You know, I still have dreams, where I’m working at a radio station, and it’s my, like, my first day, and I can’t, I can’t remember the call letters. I, I can’t I can’t find the song. Like, when I started doing radio, we still had the songs were on the eight, like the eight track style cartridges, the big carts, they were great, you know, like, we had a rack of them, you know, 600 songs on carts. And we had these, like eight track player kind of things where you shoved them all in and you hit the button, and it would start. And you know, you had like, Oh, your you got your song list for the hour. And you’d go back to your rack, and you’d get, oh, this song, and then this songs next, and then song and you’d come over and you’d have a stack
of fucking songs and you set them right here, and you put the first one in, and you’d hit it. And Hey, everybody, here we are. And my dream is that I cannot find the songs. I can’t find where the music is, where is it? And the song that is ending, there’s a song ending, right, and it’s time and I can’t remember the call letters. And that fear of that still
is in my brain. I can’t
dream. Now. I don’t have scary dreams like that about stand up. I don’t know what it is. I started doing stand up at the club in Peoria, the jukebox comedy club. And I just I kind of like said fuck it and dove into that where I just there was a there was a one comic from Chicago. I think he’s probably retired now because he was an older guy, but a really funny guy. If you could find him online. I don’t even know if he has anything online. But the guy’s name is Paul Kelly. And if you talk to Chicago, comedians, they’ll tell you that he was a legend back in the 80s and 90s. And he would go up there sometimes. And he would just stand there for the first 60 seconds without saying anything. And it was mortifying. He was so comfortable that but by the end of it, everyone was laughing. He hadn’t said anything. Everyone was just laughing. Because he just kind of did that for a little while just kind of kept looking at everybody. And he looked at somebody for a little bit more. And he was so everyone was like, What is happening? Everyone got really nervous. You could see everyone get go anxious and afraid. Why isn’t he talking and then, oh, he’s doing this on purpose. And they’d kind of kind of calm down a little bit and relax. And then once they get comfortable in it, and they see that you’re not afraid of it, then they get comfortable. And then they can relax, let their guard down. And now you can talk to them about anything. Because they’re because you’ve broken through that. That wall.
matt nappo 27:49
The first guy I ever saw do that was Andy Kaufman, but he never he never took it. And he basically stayed in. Yeah, in that weirdness for a long time. There were times where before he actually was on Saturday Night Live and Johnny Carson, where we’d see him in New York City and basically walk out of there like what the fuck was that a comedy show or not? And he loved that stuff. But yeah, wrestle women? What that was Oh, yeah. Would it be fair to say that you I think it’s fair to say that you’re the most politically vocal of the four people for a host of issues with Andy. Maybe
Brett Erickson 28:34
Andy, Andy is pretty hardcore. Hardcore is not the right word. And it is his second minute
matt nappo 28:43
to the issues that matter to him.
Brett Erickson 28:45
He’s, he’s got it in, it’s infused into his point of view as well. Now, it comes out in different ways. So mine, for me is probably or at least it has been in the past a little more direct. It’s interesting because this now that you say this is because this will be fun. If anybody’s in Alaska wants to come see me. I’m trying to get away. I’m gonna try to get away from some of that. I’m gonna try. I feel like this whole pandemic, this whole crazy fucking thing. Everything has changed. You know, in my in my world. I went from, you know, working at the Comedy Store in Los Angeles. feeling like I was right there. And I loved it. I loved it. And then all of a sudden pandemic hits everything shut down. Is California gonna open back up? I don’t know Joe Rogan leaves. He comes out here. He’s gonna open up a new club. He calls my my wife. He’s like, Hey, you want to be? Yes, we do. So like, it’s like this whole new rebirth. And I think my favorite comedian of all time is George Carlin. And what I loved about George Carlin was he had that, that that you know, that societal bang. He, you know, he was a philosopher, he told you what he thought about the way the world was fucked up. And and how you were a part of that. And I love that. But he was also a had a lot of material that was silly, and and inward looking. Right. And that interests me and I’ve never gone that direction. So I’m trying to push myself into that area. Now I feel like because here’s the deal, I got to write a whole new Act, because I don’t remember what the fuck I was talking about before the pandemic hit. So there’s no chance in going back to any material that I had before. So it started over time. So, you know, I’ve been working on some new stuff, and I’m going to try to drive it into the, you know, kind of more about the stuff we all share. Personally, we’ll see what happens
matt nappo 30:53
I have you been on. Since the limited to
Brett Erickson 30:56
six minutes into the first set, I’m going to go right back to calling Trump a cocksucker.
matt nappo 31:03
I would give you credit for less than six minutes. Because I know myself that you haven’t been on stage since a lot.
Brett Erickson 31:13
I have a couple times. I’ve done a couple sets here in Austin. And did a set in one set in San Diego before I left. And a car and I did the Comedy Store a couple of times Comedy Store opened up a little bit back in the fall when they were trying don’t mean Oh, we thought we were going to open it and then it hit hit again. So I did some sets there but it’s that was all really weird. You know what I mean? It’s I feel like now it’s starting to be a little more like it was people at least here. I’m in Austin. I’ve been going to shows every night that it’s fucking over here. Whether it is or not. They’re acting like it’s done. Everything’s wide open. Yeah, there’s no nobody’s wearing masks inside anymore. I’m vaccinated. I’m not worried about it. I don’t know what your thoughts are on all of this. But my feeling is at this point there are vaccines available for pretty much everybody you can get one if you want one go get one if you don’t want one, don’t get it.
matt nappo 32:10
I agree and that’s why I that’s why I brought up the political whether it because you are Oh, at least on Twitter, sometimes you share your opinions. And I think it was just yesterday that you shared one that now edge. It’s surprising to me, but not so surprising to me that you started out sounded like a libertarian yesterday, didn’t I? Well, not such a libertarian. But I think the lines both that people used to define a liberal conservative is so fucking blurred now. Yeah, I mean, I don’t blame it all on Trump. I think Trump amplified that it started before Trump, that whole worrying of the lines between what’s a conservative and what’s a liberal, but you started out by qualifying it that I’m as liberal as an undocumented or whatever. And then I happen to agree with Ted Cruz. And I was in Texas for a couple weeks. Fucking Republican. I don’t think he knows what he’s saying. Yeah, well, let me just say this. Fuck Ted Cruz, right. Yeah.
Brett Erickson 33:13
So I mentioned my, my children, one of my children is an ICU nurse, my daughter, my pride and joy. I love them both. But I like my daughter more. she’s a she’s an ICU nurse, she has been dealing with pandemic from the start 12 hour shifts every day for PP, you know, putting people on ventilators taught her helping people talk to their family on FaceTime, possibly for the last time all these terribly heavy stories for a long time during it, it was you know, she would call she would be crying sometimes to having to, you know, find the strength to go back and keep doing this and put yourself through this emotional roller coaster. And they never, we it was always very hectic and very busy, but they never got quite got overwhelmed. And now it’s flattened out. Those are the people I worry about. And that’s what I was saying yesterday when I said get the back end or don’t because it before it was Hey, everybody, let’s get the vaccine because we have to get enough people vaccinated that we that we don’t overwhelm the hospitals because if you do end up and we kind of lost sight of this, I feel like at the beginning of the pandemic, this idea that that the real the real danger of this pandemic is that everybody gets Coronavirus at once because if everybody gets it at once, a whole bunch of people are going to die who don’t have to die. And that’s the point. So if we’re to the point now where no matter what happens, the hospitals won’t be overwhelmed. The health care system can handle it. So if you want a vaccine, go get it if you don’t want it, don’t get it but if you get it and then if you get Coronavirus and you end up in the hospital. That’s a tragic story for you. And your friends and your family but it’s not a tragic story for me because it’s not making my life any any worse. Exactly.
matt nappo 35:07
Yeah, it makes total sense. And this is why I say you’re you’re one of the smarter comedians out there because I don’t think people out there because I don’t think a lot of people really kept sight of that. You’re right. I think we lost. The goal was to flatten the curve we flattened six months ago, right? I played a show Thursday night. 1800 people one guy had a mask on it’s like, what the fuck good. Is that gonna blow his nose too. It’s like he’s just comfortable with it. Yeah, well, I think there’s there’s some of that too, and some of it is still fear driven people going through you know, I think it’s over here. The hospitals are certainly not overwhelmed here. Yeah. But people are still going to the store is fully messed up and I I’m afraid to walk in the store without a mask on just because of the social kickback I’m going to get over it right. So I’d rather walk in with my pants off than a mask off it. I think I’d take less less flak from it. I went to Trader Joe’s and I didn’t get Coronavirus but I think I got herpes. So you know working that stuff. You know and I we mentioned kind of before we went on the air talking a little bit about common friend Brandon walls now. He you know, I don’t never know when to take Brendan seriously. So he was on Twitter talking about people. He goes on and talks about people shooting joke about Coronavirus and then the next thing I know he’s dropping a Coronavirus sex tape where COVID sex tape or not sex tape well sex worker called sex co Yeah. where he’s the doctor in the guys got in and he’s like, Oh,
Brett Erickson 36:53
I love that man so much. It’s ridiculous. I i’ve been it’s been a joy to know that dude, he is a little bit crazy and ways the funniest goddamn comedian in Los Angeles. And I don’t know why he is not world famous. I mean, he’s comics know him. You know him. Some of your fans probably know him. But not enough people do. That guy is goddamn brilliant. I love them.
matt nappo 37:19
I agree. I’m surprised by that as well. And I, you know, I’m surprised by so many communities, and here’s the thing, you know, and we’re gonna get to the canceled culture stuff in now. But canceled culture can mean so many things. But in a time where it’s getting really hard for comedians to know, where they should draw lines anymore, and I’m against even any kind of rat Frank bastard bringing the camera into a comedy club to begin on. But in a time when we see it getting harder and harder to know what you can do in a comedy club. We’re seeing also seeing more comedians than ever coming out and, and becoming stand up comics more than ever, I think I never seen somebody standing. So it’s kind of an odd thing that the harder it gets, the more restrictive the art form gets, the more people are coming out to do it.
Brett Erickson 38:10
Yeah. Well, there are so many comedians now. And this is part of what feeds into kancil culture. There are so many comedians now that well, first of all, there’s some that shouldn’t be comedians and not because they’re not funny. I don’t care about that you can either learn to be funny, or you can be not funny and just fail at it forever. That’s also fine. Do whatever you want. But there are so many comedians that that they have to turn on each other. They have to cut people loose. You know what I mean? Like, comedians are always looking to get rid of somebody because it’ll just they think that’ll make their you know, it’ll make that easier for them to get booked, because they just got rid of that guy, and he’s not going to get booked anymore. It doesn’t work that way. But there is a I can see why people think that that’s the way it is because there’s just so many. I mean, I would be at the Comedy Store, Monday night Comedy Store in Los Angeles, they do potluck, which is the open mic night you go in, you sign up, and if they draw your name, they drop 20 names, and you get three minutes. So 20 people three minutes, it’s two hours long. And they would have anywhere from 180 to 225. people show up every Monday for 20 spots. And that’s a lot of goddamn people. And that’s just that’s not that’s just the brand new comedians, like that’s just the new group. There’s also, you know, here’s what I used to tell people back in Illinois after I moved to Los Angeles, when they would ask me how it was going, I would say, well, it’s comedy in Los Angeles and New York is I’m sure the same way. You know, it’s sort of a good news, bad news sort of thing. The good news is that 90% of the comedians in Los Angeles are terrible. I know, the bad news is that the other 10,000 are really, really good
matt nappo 40:14
right? Now. So
Brett Erickson 40:15
I mean, I couldn’t go, I would be in Los Angeles, I could go to a show every single night of the year. And I would I could go to a different venue every time, and I would be guaranteed to see at least one comedian that I had never heard of, that would be fucking amazing. And then you start to go, Oh, my God, like, how do you do this? How do you find your way? Because there there are a lot of people doing it. And a lot of them are really, really bad, but there’s still a lot left that are really fucking good. And you’re just blown away and it’s just, you’re like, wow, geez, I should just go get a job at fucking Best Buy or something. I can’t compete with these people. The way it is, I’m glad of it because it makes the art form stronger and better. And I’d love great comedy and I saw a lot of it in Los Angeles, but it’s disheartening when you think that somebody is going to come knocking on your door to make you famous and you realize Holy shit, I’m good the back of this fucking line.
matt nappo 41:20
But okay, I get that the the influx of new talent, new new people, new blood is going to push the art form ahead. But then you also have that canceled culture thing, which kind of in my mind stifles art and stifles it in a big way. And I think it was Seth Rogen last week who was talking about comedians need to get over. Your jokes don’t age well, and I don’t think it’s a bad jokes. Aging. Well, it’s I think it’s about new jokes, being afraid to be born. Because they’re being a board. We’re having a massive portion of comedy. Because we’re afraid of I can’t go there. I can’t go there.
Brett Erickson 41:59
Now. I think you might be right about that. It’s the self censoring thing. That’s the real problem. You know, I mean, do you see what happens to some comedians who, you know, make, sometimes it’s as simple as it is, you know, sometimes it’s comedian is pushing the envelope, and, you know, trying out new things. And sometimes a comedian just makes a mistake. It happens people are, comedians are fucking human. Right? So and then. And sometimes, when you’re pushing the envelope, you also make a mistake. It’s the two things together. And when those two things happen at the same time, bingo, you’ve got a viral goddamn video sometimes. And then that person’s like, Oh, I didn’t mind. And if that and if that sort of reaction, which is all negative ends up stifling that artists creativity, then that’s, that’s bad. That’s bad. That’s, that’s not helping. So I think that’s right, it right. That’s, it’s especially bad for that artist. And it doesn’t matter if it’s stand up comedy, or, or a YouTube show, or radio or painting or whatever. origami, whatever your art is, when you stop trying things that interest you. Because you’re afraid someone won’t like you for it. You’re doing a bad job as an artist, so it’s hard to stay focused on, on that, especially when a lot of these guys, they start they’ll lose a lot of money.
matt nappo 43:41
Right? Well, I’m gonna I’m gonna circle back here to what you just said about comedians thinking that if I get so and so cut him out, that’s gonna make more bookings. For me, it seems to me whether it’s politics, or Comedy or Musical, whatever it is, when things get canceled. It’s the people of peer group that’s canceling them. So when the Tony Hinchcliffe thing, the people who are most vocal and and angry about it, what comedians, they were lining up with paying or whatever, but and you see it in politics, too. If people are like, somebody on the right says something or get cancelled on YouTube, it’s because the people on the left kind of ganged up on but political people. And it’s the same thing with comedy. Same thing with musicians with peer groups, and not knowing that they’re killing their own golden goose. Because if I sent her what he says, Now, when I go on stage, I should know that that light is gonna in a microscope, be pointing on me, but people don’t seem to get that. Do you? Do you feel like it’s peer?
Brett Erickson 44:43
relay? Oh, no, absolutely, absolutely. They in a lot of ways they can’t wait to to cancel somebody to do say, Hey, good, fuck you beat it. And in Tony’s case, a lot of people don’t like Tony. That’s just that His personality, he’s a cocky son of a bitch. So he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. So when they saw that video, they were like, great, you know, but but Tony is, is just playing a part like a wrestler, he’s that he’s the bad. He’s the villain on the, you know, in wrestling. And that’s all it was. And he seems to bounce back from it. In fact, I just went to the recording of the first kill Tony episode that so he’s back. So I don’t know, when I
matt nappo 45:29
started being promoted today. And I was happy to see that, you know, I’m not a huge huge fan of his but I I was definitely on his side of that whole thing. I just think it should be a personal matter and I I’m don’t give the benefit of the doubt that you do to paying. I think it was enough. I did was
Brett Erickson 45:56
I was I felt like, I seem to me that the argument that I tried to make was that Tony was just joking. And and that’s what I was trying to point out. And I I thought I laughed at paying. I sat there and and I had some I laughed at him. So I felt like if I had said anything other than he did a good job. I would have been that would have been dishonest of me now, as far as the as far as the filming it and who filmed it? And how did he get that film? And why did he edit it? You know, why did he cut it off when he cut it off? And all of that stuff? That’s a whole nother discussion. And and he doesn’t look great in those discussions, frankly. Yeah. You know, I it’s just the whole thing. It just sucks. here’s the here’s the fucking thing. All right. It’s there’s a difference between saying something, you know, and being racist. I don’t like racism. Racism is fucking stupid. But anything you say anything you say, from the stage of a stand up comedy show shouldn’t count outside of the realm of stand up comedy. Some, if someone had an issue with Tony Hinchcliffe calling Peng? Dang it, you can bleep this out if you need to a filthy chink. And then and they have a problem with that. Because Tony didn’t clear that with paying first and he wasn’t exactly in on the bit to start with. And it wasn’t all completely pre planned. It was just kind of winging it and go valid complaint. But if you think that, that that it’s a problem, because he really thinks that and he’s really promoting that that idea, then you are then you’re don’t ever go to a stand up comedy show because you’re going to ruin it. Because it’s a stand up comedy, everything. It’s like, it’s you didn’t hold Carroll O’Connor liable for what he said is archie bunker, it was within the context of a show, a show that has beats that has that has punch lines that has setups and premises. It’s all fiction. So it’s unfair to the the artist to draw from their their art, you know, things that you think about them. In reality, there are two things are separate. It’s stand up fucking comedy, and that and that really, really was the issue for me. So I just wanted everyone to understand, because this is the other part that I saw by that, you know, I’m watching if I can, that, that prick on TMZ like, you know, clutching his pearls over the comment that he’s like, oh, not only did he say that, but but then listen to the audience. Like they’re all they’re all laughing like that was another, you know, another statement, a barometer of how far we’ve sunk in America because we were laughing at just blatant racism. No, we were laughing because we could tell in the room in the context of everything that was happening, that it was a fucking joke that I didn’t mean it. That’s why we were laughing. The laughter from the audience should have been the clue to you that the person watching the video that this was a joke and it wasn’t real. So you know that.
matt nappo 49:39
And I that’s exactly what I said when I said basically what you’re doing is indicting everybody who was in that room laughing. And I happen to know one of the people who was in that room with you. And I said, and if you look at his Twitter feed, you know, this guy’s not gonna laugh at racist material. So you’re you’re condemning this whole room of people because you didn’t need one grown up. or anything like that. And then there’s the fact that is five days or four days, he could have called a new Tony Hinchcliffe well enough to call him up and say I was hurt by what you said. And at least give him some heads up. I’m gonna talk totally destroyed, tried to destroy your career to boost my likes in
Brett Erickson 50:18
motion. And it’s interesting that you mentioned Brendan Walsh earlier because the same thing happened to Brendan Walsh not too long ago where it was it was a bit of a different situation where he was hosting a show at the Hyperion theater in LA, with Brendan small, the guy who created metalocalypse, right? I say that right? A very, very funny guy and a great musician. And they were doing a show called Bren today and Brendan and Brendan, and it was like this silly Lark kind of a show where they were basically what’s that, like Kathie Lee and Hoda, it was like, the fourth hour of Good Morning America where the hosts are kind of drunk on rosae and a little bit silly. And that’s that was the the vibe of the show. And Brandon was playing this guy who was a complete idiot. I mean, he everything he said was stupid, just the same kind of dumb stuff he does with the, you know, he’s always dressed like a neck brace on and he’s. And he’s that, and he introduced I can’t remember the girl’s name now, but he introduced some girl by commenting on her great tits. And then she did the show never said anything to him. She was even in, even in one of her bits. She sat on a guy’s lap, and it was like stroking his hair. Like, she was not offended that night, in any way. She knew Brendan was joking. And then a couple of days later, she wrote this blog. And you know, if you type out the words, he said, they look bad. And then she didn’t say who it was. She just said it was prominent la comedian. And then everybody jumped in I Oh, my God, this is the problem. See, women are they they’re constantly being viewed as as bodies and not brains, and blah, blah, blah. And then Brendan finally came out and said, Look, it’s me that she’s talking about, and I was Bob, you know, I was doing this as part of a character or whatever. And then all the people who knew Brandon kind of switched and went, Oh, yeah, that makes sense. But
matt nappo 52:25
that makes perfect.
Brett Erickson 52:25
But by that time, the Hyperion theater had already cancelled the show, Brandon small and Brendan Walsh don’t do a show together anymore. And it’s a fucking shame, because that was a really, really funny show in Los Angeles. And those two guys together, were fantastic. And somebody killed it. And in both in Tony Hinchcliffe case, with the guy who accused him of racism, and the woman who accused Brendon Walsh of being a sexist pig, both of them did it solely to advance their careers to be to be a victim of something to in order to put your name out there more. That sucks. Don’t do it.
matt nappo 53:04
It doesn’t last either. I mean, you see that, and I don’t even want to say his name, but the guy who targeted Hinchcliffe, he’s, he’s already kind of forgotten. Yes, he had 5000 followers in a single day on Twitter. And then it leveled off and he hasn’t had a new one since so well.
Brett Erickson 53:21
He’s got no material. He’s new here. He was in a perfect position because he was getting spots. He’d go up on kill Tony, this is a good thing. You’re in there, you’re in the community you want to be in. And what he did is he took a shot, he took his shot to man, it was like it. I mean, I look, I don’t know the guy. So you know, whatever
matt nappo 53:46
I was, I was one of the 12 people in America who was familiar with his comedy before that date. Oh, really? Yeah. And I had seen some of his stuff. And it was all about race, all about China being Chinese and the Asian experience. And I know for a fact that he had heard that word before. Because when Tommy Chung was on this program, he used it a number of times to describe themselves. And I know he watched that program because I had been in contact with him. So he likes to he lied to TMZ TMZ. Exactly. You know it, but it bothers me to see that kancil culture is still going on. And that I can’t talk sense into people who don’t see that if you push this on your peers, it’s gonna come back on you. It’s just the natural thing you kill with killing your own golden goose. And see that it’s because I’m a huge fan of comedy, and I want to see it continue to grow. And I think it’s not gonna if we more comedians embrace this thing to get their enemy or the competition, it’s just gonna kill it for everybody and it’s a very sad So it is
Brett Erickson 55:00
it’s a shame that we that we try to cut out. People, we don’t want success for other people, you know how I don’t know if anybody out there watching this is in the same sort of line of work where, where you, you have a colleague who has some success, and they tell you about the success and you’re happy for them, but a little part of you dies, like, because it wasn’t you it was them instead of you. That’s all it’s comedy is a hard business, because there’s a lot of that, you know, I I’m I’m far enough along in it that I see, a lot of good things happen to a lot of good people. And I see a lot of good things happen to people who I think frankly, don’t deserve it. So you have to keep your mind in the right place. And that’s not always easy to do. And that’s what, that’s what leads to this sort of shit. Where are we, where we’re happy to cut somebody loose without we don’t even want to know the context. Because we know that if we find out the context, we won’t want to do it anymore. So we got to cut the person loose, and get these numbers down so that we have a better chance of, of success. And you know what, here’s the thing, there’s enough success out there for everybody. It’s not I win and you lose, we can both win. That’s That’s how entertainment works.
matt nappo 56:17
And generally, I will say this generally, because it’s not always the case, you can’t worry about somebody else’s success. If that you know, you feel they don’t deserve it. But if the phoniest will expose themselves over time, I look at Milli Vanilli and people were really, really jealous of them when they had number one hits. But then, you know, when when they got exposed as being fake, their career was over instantly. And so that happens to a lot of people who are phony, you can’t worry about them, you have to worry about yourself and your own success. Absolutely.
Brett Erickson 56:48
Right. Somebody and somebody having success doesn’t mean you can’t have success. It’s not a zero sum game.
matt nappo 56:55
Right? Yeah, well, that’s a problem. We tend to look at everything as limited resources, but in certain areas that is true. I mean, we’re here on Long Island where New York where we used to have a probably 30 comedy clubs on Long Island, I think there may be three or four now and instead so it is it is a very
Brett Erickson 57:16
you’re gonna find more coming back. I think that you know, I read some stories. I don’t know if you’ve talked about this at all, but I read some stuff about how you know after the pandemic in 1918 when that kind of finally ended and everybody came out of it that led into the roaring 20s and the Charleston and everybody party and I think you’re gonna see some of that same sort of, you know, revival when we all finally get all the way back I think I hopefully you’ll see some more comedy clubs I certainly enough goddamn comedians to fill them
matt nappo 57:45
are no doubt about that. That roaring back type of because several months ago now, you know, we were still wearing masks to the club, get in the club, we’d be playing. And people were supposed to be wearing masks at the table in the masks. Were coming off there with dancing that being told, you know, try try not to let people sing along a dance. That’s like don’t Don’t, don’t make people laugh. No dancing, no dancing and singing. But people were having Minaj I was on the dance floor. This is like, and so that roaring back and ready to go. You lock people up for a year and a half when it’s bad. go wild man. Right? Yeah. So are you looking forward to getting you know, the Alaska trip with excite?
Brett Erickson 58:32
Absolutely, absolutely. The Alaska trip and then we’ll get back here. The club that Joe’s opening up will be opening up sometime this summer. So I’m very excited about that. Austin is is a really, really cool place. I know that everybody who already lives here is pissed off that we came. And I don’t blame them. I get it. You know, you got a cool thing going here. And now a bunch of assholes from California, New York just invaded your city. But it’s very cool. So there’s a lot of new clubs popping up here. A lot of places to go up and do stand up and there’s music everywhere. I think that’s gonna be like that all over the place. So I hope that wherever you are, if you’re out there, get out there enjoy some stand up comedy. Go see some live music. Go see somebody read goddamn poems just get out of the damn house.
matt nappo 59:19
Jay. Yeah, I agree. And I hope that happens too. I mean, it’s it’s been really it’s been open here. I’ve been playing since last Memorial Day. So it’s been a year since I’ve been out back performing every week. But it just went we finally lifted the mask mandate and all that stuff a couple of weeks ago. People are still a little shy about it. But I think that roaring 20s thing is, is Yeah, we’re going to happen and
Brett Erickson 59:47
I everybody comes out of the pandemic in their own way. Right, right. I mean, like, everyone, here’s how I don’t know how graphic we can get on your show. Can we get graphic on your show here? Here’s how you can tell you’re all the way over to pandemic. Here’s how you know that you’re done with it. When you get back to as eating, I think that’s when you know, you’re willing to just bury your face in some stranger’s ass. You are past wearing a mask, you know what I mean? Like I made it you are out you’re through the other side. Right? So that won’t be your barometer. Everybody.
matt nappo 1:00:27
One of the guests on the program, not too long ago told me about a guy who went to eat her ass on the first date. And I was like, wow.
Brett Erickson 1:00:36
These kids, man, these kids are wild. I used to do a bit about that, but how, like, because they get right in there. Remember? We used to do a two we call them rim jobs because you stayed around the outside you just sort of dabble. They’re just not for me. That’s not for me. I’m just you know,
matt nappo 1:00:59
it’s a little much. So um, and I know we’re over the eating I’m sorry to end we’re not gonna we’re gonna go a couple more minutes because because just just to watch that PE S Yeah, I didn’t even go to this one.
Brett Erickson 1:01:13
No, see, that’s the thing. If you if you get if it tastes that you went too far, if you taste anything, that’s alright. Because
matt nappo 1:01:23
you’re you’re absolutely right. I never I just want to say that my sponsors I we didn’t read the sponsor point at the beginning of the program because the sponsors asked me to bring it in and try to incorporate the guests with it and I blew past it didn’t even look at it. We’re an hour in and I never even mentioned entice me where you get your non toxic sex toys. The link is in the description as well. The idea is sex toys are made out of the same toxic materials that they banned from children’s toys so children children will put stuff in their mouth but sex toys are still continually made of that toxic stuff and people are putting mud plugs in and vibrators and all that kind of stuff. And
Brett Erickson 1:02:04
yeah, that’s a real those are real sensitive areas of your body to write obviously any orifice is going to have sore you know things that are delicate and shouldn’t be you know exposed to these chemicals. I enticed me
matt nappo 1:02:19
entice me enticed me calm links in the description and and so basically check them out if you want to save your butthole from toxic chemicals. And and get a bad day. Get a bad day. You know, I’ve heard I’ve heard about this and I know your pal Andy is colonoscopy today, but the benefits of but they really do. Unbelievable.
Brett Erickson 1:02:45
I It is unbelievable to me. I got a video a couple years ago just like people think oh, I didn’t even really know exactly what it was but the kind that I got that you can get the handheld one you just spray your butt don’t get that if you’re not a hillbilly spraying yourself down with the garden hose out in the yard. Get you can but you can add one to your toilet where it’s just you. You’re sitting there you’re done with doing your business and then you just press a button and clean fresh water sprays up on there and you just kind of scoot around a little bit cleans off your butt and when you go when you go to the toilet paper it’s just too dry and I thought to myself well why why have we been doing this the whole time because
matt nappo 1:03:29
it’s so much more economical I mean ecological
Brett Erickson 1:03:35
Yes Don’t be a danger dangerous it’s dangerous you’re just smearing stuff around up there you don’t do that so you get a bad day then you get a nice non toxic entice me deal though you get a bad day you clean your butthole all up you get a nice non toxic entice me dildo and RAM that up in there and it’s all good
matt nappo 1:03:56
bye man I thank you so much for for this time your great insight into asset cleansing and and and the trends in seating. It couldn’t have been a better program Brett, I thank you very much for this so much for being here. I was great. I wish you great success and please you know come back again sometime and let’s go through it again. Cuz
Brett Erickson 1:04:16
I would really I would really like that. I’ll take you up on that. This was a lot of fun. Thanks for having me.
matt nappo 1:04:20
Thanks. And bye for now and be well. Alright, yep, see it but Brett Erickson folks, issues with Andy podcast. If you’re so inclined, you can go up to Alaska and see him next week. Although I’m not really sure where you can find out about the rest of his days. The website as you heard in the beginning of the program is not updated enough. There has to be someplace maybe it’s Facebook page, maybe Twitter, I don’t know where you find out where he’s gonna be playing by you performing by you. But we’ll come up and try to try on your own. I do my best to keep you informed. I hope you enjoyed this program tomorrow. I don’t have a program April Burke was supposed to be with me tomorrow. She has some kind of medical emergency she needs to postpone. We’ll be back. Probably rescheduling for next week unless I do a solo show tomorrow. So I’ll be here alone. Until then. I’m Matt nappo for the mind doc TV podcast. Thanks for coming. Have a great night. Bye for now.
Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Seth Rogan needs to stick to pottery The #1 Way To Support This Channel Is Backing Me On SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/thequartering …
On this episode of minddogTV, Udo Erasmus shares his insights about where to begin our journey to well being.
Udo Erasmus is a pioneer of the health and wellness industry having created FLAX OIL and the Healthy Fats Movement. He is also the co-founder of the UDO’S CHOICE supplement brand, a global leader in cutting edge health products having sold tens of millions of bottles of healthy oils, probiotics and digestive enzymes. Udo is an accomplished author including Fats that Heal Fats that Kill that has sold over 250,000 copies worldwide. Udo has extensive education in Biochemistry and Biology, a Masters Degree in Counseling Psychology from Adler University and has impacted over 5,000,000+ lives by passionately conducting 5,000+ live presentations, 3,000+ media interviews, 1,500 staff trainings and traveled to 40+ countries with his message on how to achieve perfect health.
UDO HAS IMPACTED OVER 5 MILLION LIVES…
Sold over 250,000 copies of books, including Fats That Heal Fats That Kill
Passionately conducted 5,000+ live presentations
Given 3,000+ media interviews
Traveled to 40+ countries with his message on how to achieve perfect health
Sold and distributed 25,000,000 bottles from his Udo’s Choice product line in 50+ countries
https://mybookie.com Promo Code minddog
https://myvitalc.com/minddog. promo code minddogtv
Can you start by sharing some of your backstory and how you how you got into what it is? Exactly? You do?
Yeah. What exactly it is. It’s like trying to do everything. Right. I was born during the Second World War 1942 in Poland, that was part of Germany, and we were refugees. When I was before I was three years old, coming chasing us and tanks and trucks. And we were fleeing on dirt roads in horsedrawn. Hay wagons are women, like mothers and young children. And why we have no military presence and the allies. You know, these are the good guys, right? They were using this us refugees as target practice, from planes shooting at us from planes, it was a mess. It rubbed my nose very early, in what can go wrong, when we don’t cultivate better, whatever you mean by better. If we don’t cultivate more quality in our life, we will drift towards less quality. And so when I was six years old, I started thinking about this kind of stuff from seriously and said, You know, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And then like a six year old who doesn’t know how complicated everything is, you know, I said I’m gonna figure it out. And so that’s that’s been my driver all my life. Wow, all those different topics.
Holy smokes at some backstory. I wasn’t quite prepared for that. You know, I think a lot of people who were born post, baby boomer generation that’s a that’s a shocker of a reality check, because most of us can imagine that that kind of situation. So a little bit of a spoiler alert here now all these years later, do you think the world has progressed since then? It’s gotten worse.
I you know what, it’s individual, I would say the world’s getting worse, collectively. But in the midst of that, people make choices that make their lives better, right? People make personal choices to bring more quality into their life, they will then also be an influence in that direction for other people. And enough people do that we could be living in heaven on earth and five years serious. Well, I applaud your optimism, my friend I, and I pray that you, you’re right about that. But the pessimist in me says, I can’t I can’t believe you know, but this is not optimism. We are wired for it. We are wired for peace. We are wired for unconditional love. We are wired for inspiration. We are wired for cooperation. But what we do is we have a lot of outside influences instead of going inside into that wiring. We’re going outside and listening to bullshit. Yeah, but bullshit long enough, then then you’re gonna start repeating it.
I completely agree with that. And, and in an effort to Cut the bullshit out of my own life, I got rid of television. And I’m not even sure of any more. But it’s about 10 or 11 years ago, maybe 12 to 13 years ago. I’m not sure of that. But it’s been over a decade now. I haven’t had television in my life, but it still permeates so. Or the the information in the bullshit still gets me whether it’s through the internet through through the airwaves. Here, it still gets here. So you still listen to other people?
Yeah, yeah. Well, and I would say as a as a as a general thing, not just you, but me and everybody else, we need to make a little more deliberate effort to go a little deeper, to get a little closer to the magnificence that lives within our bodies.
Unknown Speaker 7:17
Wow. That’s a that’s a great idea. Now how where do we get started, you got to sit still.
Unknown Speaker 7:24
Instead of doing you know, instead of doing doing doing till you turn into due to uni, you basically need to sit down and do nothing. And sit with the ache that you might feel in your heart. And sit through that because stefarr behind it, like not a hair’s breadth behind that is what I’m talking about, huh? It’s already within us. It’s not like we’re not creating this, we’re not inventing this, we’re not jacking it up. This is how we’re made. This is how the universe after 14 billion years, created human beings but other plants and animals as well. So we were created with all that in us. But we go out automatically through our senses. Because when things change, we have to assess is this good for survival? Or do I run?Or is it irrelevant? And do I just ignore it?
Are you talking about simple meditation? Is that what you’re talking about? When you say go in or introspection? What? What exactly?
Whatever gets you out of your head, and a little deeper than your emotions, into the energy and awareness that are the source of life? How do you know when you’re there? You spent nine months in your mother’s body in that place. It’ll be it’ll feel completely familiar.
Okay, but so I guess I haven’t ever read that because I have done a lot of meditational a lot of introspection. I mean, I spend hours and hours on, you know, on a routine basis of introspection looking inside. But I guess I’ve never reached that place because I if you say I would recognize it, I haven’t. But what do you mean by introspection? Thinking about myself thinking about how I can improve think about what what
can I stop you? You’re thinking?
exactly. And, and, and you don’t get there by thinking you get there by unthinking you get that by not thinking about begins where the thinking stops.
part of you, but you all you’re thinking is just in your cortex. Right? rest of your body is not thinking there. Yeah. Your body occupies because you will find that in the space you’re occupies. But it takes time. Very good at going in. We’re really good at going out and going out is automatic and going in has to be delivered.
And the thinking is counter counter intuitive. I guess it’s not the way we’re built.
It’s not the way we’re trained. Right? Yeah. And the way we start is by sitting with the uneasy Feeling in our chest? You know what I’m talking about?
Oh, yeah, I just did it.
Yes, you call it blues, you call it loneliness or you call it, restlessness, emptiness. It’s your driving force, sit with that it’s uncomfortable. And we like don’t like to distract ourselves from it because we don’t like to feel it. And I’m saying no, sit with it. That’s your starting point for your journey out of your head. That’s your journey. journey. That’s your starting point for the journey to your heart. That is your starting point for discovering the amazingness awesomeness and magnificence that lives and can be experienced in the space that your body occupies. Always there. But your your focus of awareness is hardly ever there. And I’m not picking on you, this is true for the why we’re screwing everything up on the planet is because we never go to the place where we feel fulfilled, when you feel fulfilled, and you feel peace, because you’re because that peace is there. And you feel unconditionally loved by the life that that runs your body that that you are when you feel that you live a different life, and you create different stuff. Because that will come to expression. But you got to go there first. But okay, but now there are there’s, and I hear what you’re saying. And, you know, believe me, I’m not taking any of this la like it’s personal, I recognize the personal stuff in it and stuff that I need to work on in. And as far as turning off that thought process inside. You know, meditation is supposed to do that and calm me down and stuff.
And I used to be a lot better atgetting into like, an alpha state in meditation 30 years, 30 years ago than I am now. I don’t know because my brain is going constantly, and we talk about what that thing is in your chest. For me, I think it’s more anxiety than anything else. There’s so much I want to achieve. And so much I want to do and so little time to do it in. And yeah.
And why do you want to achieve all that?
So having some kind of legacy that said, to say, when I’m gone, there was something somebody will remember me for something positive. You won’t care? What when you’re gone, you won’t care? No, I won’t. But I want to be able to make sure that that that’s still that something after I’m gone.
Shut up. So you know, I’m going to contradict you this I’m really having fun I okay, like you Okay, so that all of that stuff that you want to do because you think legacy if you have a good legacy, somehow you’ll be content or you’ll be one or you feel okay. Yeah, well, yeah. feeling okay. doesn’t come from legacy feeling. Okay? already exists feeling okay. It comes from going to or feeling okay already lives inside of you. And then your legacy will become bigger.
Part of it is feeling like I almost owe the world to leave in a better place than I arrived. That’s part of what you have less peace now than you did 30 years ago. You’re actually leaving the world of worse place. Yeah, then you could have 30 years ago. So maybe what you’re how you’re trying to make it better? Isn’t isn’t? Isn’t that isn’t right.
Maybe you really just need to stop. Maybe, you know, sometimes it’s kind of it’s kind of like, we want to fix the environment. So what can we do to fix the environment? You know, what COVID has shown us? We all got blocked down. We couldn’t drive. We couldn’t do all that stuff. sudden, the air is cleaner. The dolphins are back in the in the canals in Venice, right? If we want to fix the environment, we need to do less. Not more. Yeah, I agree. And we’ve thought I had it. Right when COVID COVID. For lockdowns first started, I had an author on who was an energy expert and talked about how we’re even within a month and a half of the lockdown while the environment started to clean up and you know, and animals were coming back to back to visibility and stuff like that. So yeah, I’m talking to you want to leave live a better legacy. You want to leave a less dirty legacy. That’s the same idea. do less, huh? Less, but be more. And we think that everything that we do, it’s about doing we’re such doers. We’re supposed to be human beings, not human doings. And if you think about it being is actually more important than doing how do we know that? Because you can be without doing but you can’t do without being. So being is your foundation. If you don’t if you if you can’t get if you don’t get to be and you live without foundation. Right? Then what the hell are you going to do? Who pays the bills for you? Just being
Unknown Speaker 15:00
No, but I’m not saying just spend your 24 hours a day being okay. But I but you’re willing to dedicate life to the toilet, and to the end to the bacon and eggs or whatever it is you eat, and to doing your job. And what I’m saying is, in order to live a human life, you have to dedicate some time, will you simply sit down, shut up all your distractions.
Unknown Speaker 15:26
Get really still see how still you can become. See how deep you can go into that stillness. See how long you can stay there?
Unknown Speaker 15:35
and discover what you find in that stillness. What will you see there? What will you hear there? What will you feel there?
Unknown Speaker 15:43
And that’s called, and that’s called self discovery. I’m gonna give this a shot after the show.
Unknown Speaker 15:50
And then how likely Can you breathe?
Unknown Speaker 15:53
And can you slow down your breathing? I fall asleep though. I will fall asleep if I feel burned out. You fall asleep? Because you need rest? Yeah, so go to bed earlier at night. I don’t I don’t. That’s that’s a big part of my problem. And so I know what you talk about it, you know, a whole holistic, you know, approach to, you know, health in general. But sleeping is a major part of it. And as a man, because this is anxiety, this thing he talks about it. I lay down at night, the voices just don’t stop. I mean, I’m talking to myself all night long. Yeah, tomorrow about yesterday about today. Yeah, yeah, it’s always about tomorrow, or yesterday is the present moment. It’s never about the present moment, right now. I know anxiety Really? Well, I became afraid of flying at one point girlfriend dumped me. I got a fear of flying, right. And I realized, you know why? why that was happening. You know, there’s always a what if in anxiety, what if? What if? What if, what if, so I was doing that and I was imagining crashes, instead of safe landings. Even though most planes most of the time land safely. There are practice once in a while, but there’s a whole lot more safe landings and crashes. I was always imagining the crashes and not imagining the safe landing. And I would call that that lack of discipline. Wow. reading my mind, run wild.
Unknown Speaker 17:27
And you and the way you tame your mouth, your mind is you bait you basically step out of it. And you step into a feeling the feeling of yourself the feeling of life. And from there, you can direct your thinking, you can you know, because I can say oh my god, everything’s gonna go wrong. And with the same amount of energy, say, Oh my god, everything’s gonna go right. Same amount of effort, but a different focus and a different deliberate direction. You know, I recognize everything, the truth and everything you just said, I know you do. And but also, I recognize the fact that it’s easier for me to see that and counsel my wife when she does it, like You’re overthinking this, you’re always thinking of the worst possible outcome. You know what, why, but when it comes to myself, I don’t practice that same. Because anxiety is always about imagining the worst possible outcome, and assuming that’s going to happen. And then when, when everything goes to hell and just crashes. It’s never as bad as you imagined. Even even if you get the worst possible outcome. It never matches the fear that you had. And not only that, how old are you? 6264 62 years, most of the things you worried about never happened? Yeah, right. Absolutely. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I’m
Unknown Speaker 18:46
making all this crap up. I just say, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Unknown Speaker 18:52
Who owns this? Yeah, I guess, tell you, if I say to you, hey, whose body is that? It’s my body. My body. You know, you’re just busted yourself. You’re not the body?
Unknown Speaker 19:06
Is my body you are you own the body? Just like you own a watch or whatever. Whatever you own. You own the shop. Right? Right. You’re not to show. That’s right. You own the show. The show is your property.
Unknown Speaker 19:19
Is your property. So who are you? That is the owner of the body? Hmm.
Unknown Speaker 19:26
I don’t know about that. That’s a tough one I have to see. And my inclination is to think about that. And you tell me tell me about the things you know, okay, so I’ll make it easier. So you don’t
Unknown Speaker 19:38
know who who owns your body is life. Our life you’re not the body.
Unknown Speaker 19:45
And that life is solar energy. That solar energy came from the sun on the planet got trapped by green leaves.
Unknown Speaker 19:56
Excited electrons they reacted with electrons from other ad
Unknown Speaker 20:00
For molecules, the sun, the solar energy is stored in those molecules in the in sorry, in the bonds in those molecules, those become your food, you eat the food, they get broken down in your body. And there’s the sun, solar energy that you live on, that’s who you are. And your solar energy in human form, just like the trees outside your house, your solar energy in tree form. And just like the animals, your dog is solar energy and dog form, wow, solar energy comes through food. And the food provides both the energy, the solar energy that runs us,
Unknown Speaker 20:42
and the building blocks for, for building the machinery. So the focus needs to go from the body and ideas that you picked up out there that aren’t even your own ideas, needs to go to the energy that you are. And more you get to know that energy more you are in your power, more you get done. Because you actually spend less time doing, but you’re a lot more organized and you don’t redo things because you’re you’re spaced up.
Unknown Speaker 21:16
And I’m paying you all the time, just so you understand.
Unknown Speaker 21:20
Just as much this is my experience just as much. And and I’m just picking on you because
Unknown Speaker 21:29
I actually pay your generosity. I actually like it. I mean, I always make the show about myself all about myself anyway. So
Unknown Speaker 21:39
is this more science or more Moore’s spirituality? Or is it a mix of both? What the what I just told you about the solar energy is a science part? You know, we figured all that out by studying science. When you bring your awareness, your focus of awareness, because right now your focus is on me. Right? Right. It’s not really on yourself, it could be that your focus was on yourself and me. But you haven’t practiced that. So you’re probably you’re not as good at it as you could be. Right? And I’m focused on you quite quite a lot. Right? when I, when I bring that focus back to the energy, the solar energy, that is life, that’s when I get into the so called spiritual realm, right? All of the Masters talked about that energy, all of the Masters mastered
Unknown Speaker 22:38
presence in life. That’s why they could heal. And that’s why they came up with wisdom. And that’s why people love them, because life is unbelievably loving and attractive. And the people who didn’t know how to go there, would then follow these guys, because they were doing the homework. And the followers were not
Unknown Speaker 22:57
what they and what the Masters I said, do your homework, what is your homework, come home to yourself, become good as good at coming home to yourself as you are going out there. And when you do that, then you will experience what I am experiencing, out of which comes the wisdom and the insight
Unknown Speaker 23:17
that you like so much. When you listen to me.
Unknown Speaker 23:21
And your 8 billion people have that same Master, whether you call them Buddha, or Christ or life or solar energy doesn’t matter what you call it, but that same, that same energy is in every human being no matter what race, they are gender, they are age, they are culture that come from religion, they have
Unknown Speaker 23:40
all independent because this is biological. Okay, and, and going into subjective. And the science part is more like looking at it from the outside objective.
Unknown Speaker 23:51
It sounds simple, but it’s not easy. Is it?
Unknown Speaker 23:56
A You know what? The fact that you say it’s not easy, is what makes it hard for you. And when I began to sit still, I would say that to myself, man, this is hard. And it’s hard. But you know, I thought it was hard because I wasn’t used to it. But one day, it occurred to me Geez, am I just talking myself into making it hard? So I said, You know what, I’m gonna say every time I before I sit down, I’m gonna say this as a snap. This is really easy. And the moment that I changed how I thought about it, it became easy.
Unknown Speaker 24:25
I was actually making it hard by judging it to be hard by assuming it was hard before even did it.
Unknown Speaker 24:35
Do you get very far that way? Right. Do you cut off yourself from all these outside stimuluses? Like television, internet and all that kind of stuff? I mean, how do you how do you because if you try to sit still in a quiet space for a couple of minutes and your cell phone is is is in within 10 feet of you, that’s just a distraction right there. It’s gonna ring something’s gonna happen or, you know
Unknown Speaker 25:00
Television, always all these devices we have in our lives of bring us back to the clutter and the noise. Well, maybe they do. And maybe they don’t. First of all, you can turn them off. And I don’t spend all my life not listening to television,
Unknown Speaker 25:17
what I do is I take a time, deliberately take a time of my day, to sit still and not answer my phone and not turn on my television and not get into the 1000 distraction. But you don’t even need 1000 distractions, you only need one. So even in the old days, when they didn’t have all of that they got distracted too.
Unknown Speaker 25:38
It’s a deliberate thing you have to do.
Unknown Speaker 25:41
If you want to master what the Masters Master, if you want to master being your presence in life, then there will be no greater legacy you can leave than actually living in mastery of your, of your own existence. Well, I have a chicken and egg question for you. Yeah, because you’re talking about getting your mind right. But I know a lot of what you what you teach, and it’s about nutrition and fats that are good for you and all that stuff. So what comes first? Is the mind come first or the nutrition stuff to get your body and mind in a place where it’s with chicken and egg? Which was great, what a great question. No, what a great question. Because here’s, here’s how it is and this is from experience, your body could be completely wrecked, your thinking could be completely disorganized, your
Unknown Speaker 26:39
Unknown Speaker 26:41
social group could be completely dysfunctional, and your environment could be a disaster area. And the energy that his life would not be affected by any of it. And the awareness behind it would not be affected by any of it. And the in the inspired creativity, that is the shine of the energy out of you would not be affected by any of that. But your mind will be your body might be your your environment might be and your social group might be and your emotions might be. But suddenly the core of your being is not affected by any of that, you know, like your the awareness and your life energy will never get COVID.
Unknown Speaker 27:26
In fact, we will never get sick of anything and it will never die. You cannot break down something that has no form. Energy has no form. Right? But it’s a presence. And you experienced that form was present in that formless present. presence is your foundation, because that’s where you come from. That’s who you are, on your deepest level one with God, if you want to be religious about it, okay, there has to be an experience not just a, you know, a head trip something you repeat something you’ve eaten something we tell people. Interesting. So I think I heard my essence the core of who I am is not going to die. That’s correct. So what do I got to worry about being unhealthy for I’m gonna live forever.
Unknown Speaker 28:12
Your body won’t live forever? Because what has no I don’t want it to.
Unknown Speaker 28:18
And you Well, good luck and Alan,
Unknown Speaker 28:22
you know, in and yet what has formed will lose its form and illness effect that affects the body. And of course, it affects the mind because the mind is all made up to like, thoughts are also forms.
Unknown Speaker 28:36
Unknown Speaker 28:39
Unknown Speaker 28:40
again, I think about a lot of stuff to think about, because I am going to be processing this conversation deep, deep into the night because I generally work till 3am anyway, so I’m going to be thinking about this. So if you start thinking about this, you should go and take a cold shower.
Unknown Speaker 28:59
In your head. Well, I live in my head so much. It’s just I’m conditioned to, you know, first thing in the morning, I’m filled with anxiety, thinking about a million different things. What I got to do today what what I got to do, it’s always about doing it definitely is about of course, but here’s the thing, you have your anxiety and you’re obviously giving that some attention. But next, you know right next door to your anxiety inside of you. Lives your peace. No anxiety at all. Not possible. Why don’t you give that at least given equal time with you? You know, I do have peace in my life. And it oddly enough, it’s when there’s a lot of chaos.
Unknown Speaker 29:41
It’s when I’m on stage and when I’m playing music and I’m not the I’m not the center of attention. Somebody else is the front person and spotlights almost always on them. And so I’m kind of just doing my thing. That’s my that’s my greatest piece of my life and
Unknown Speaker 29:58
I play guitar but
Unknown Speaker 30:00
In the band, but I play a lot of different instruments. But yeah, it’s not even so much about connecting with the instrument. It’s just, it’s being part of something that is working together to produce music. Like, doesn’t matter what instrument to play. But that’s, that’s also for you a way, a way of meditating. That’s your meditation. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But But if your guitar breaks, then it’s harder to meditate. So it would be really nice if you could go there anytime you want it
Unknown Speaker 30:30
at will, and not need a crutch for doing it. But it’s not. But does it work? Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker 30:38
Yeah, and you know what it’s not it’s definitely not having the instrument it because again, I play instruments at home. And in playing by myself. And in a room by myself, it doesn’t do the same thing. It’s being on stage. And there’s, yeah, and this is part of it, too, is I, several years ago, I had debilitating sciatica, I could not walk, I could not all day long, I could not get out of a chair. But somehow, I made it to some gigs crawled up to the stage, late on the stage, in agony show started, I would start in the chair one song into the show, I’d get out of the chair, be up and then moving around the whole show pain free. As soon as the music stops in the show is over, back into agony and just and totally debilitated again. And so the music is also healing for you. Right? It’s It’s everything. For me. It’s like I’m in a different different dimension, a different life, a different, different place, spiritually and physically and mentally, completely. When I’m doing that, and it’s, it’s not the music. It’s the, the position of being onstage and being in a room full of people that are enjoying it. And it all kind of denticles saying to the same thing. It’s like almost like serving people. Yeah, yes. Okay. I know, people who use smoking as a meditation. Wow. And I figured that out Monday’s like I had a I had a friend who we were working in health, and she smoked. And I said, Why do you smoke? She says it calms me down. So I told my son, and he’s a fitness trainer. And he said, Well, that’s a lot of BS. Because when you when you smoke you your heart rate goes faster, your breathing gets faster, you know. So then I started you know, I love I love those contradictions can then it’s like, Okay, well, why, why is she feel it’s, it’s making them more peaceful, when in fact, her body’s going faster. And I and the reason why is because they take this, the cigarette, you light the cigarette, and then you go like this.
Unknown Speaker 32:48
So what they’re doing is the number one form of yoga, following your breathing. And they think they need a cigarette to do that, when they could just forget about the cigarette. And they could every time they get a little anxious, it could just go.
Unknown Speaker 33:05
Because you when you when you do that, you go out of your head and you go into your breathing, and there are no thoughts in your breathing. And the moment your thoughts start, you the moment you step out of your thoughts, you become calmer, because nothing goes as fast on this planet in the universe, as your thoughts do.
Unknown Speaker 33:25
Hmm. Yeah, that’s something that is common, I think, with every kind of addiction is that we’re just substituting that addiction or whatever it is to get us to that place. In my case, it’s, you know, the music thing.
Unknown Speaker 33:41
Yeah, the addiction. Like with addicts, they’re famous for having an ache in their heart, and they don’t know what to do with it. They don’t like it. And they’re told not to dwell on it, they, you know, distract yourself.
Unknown Speaker 33:56
And they medicated with drugs. And what I say to them is no sit with that ache. Don’t do anything with it, just feel it. Don’t judge it. Just feel it. Be with it. Because that’s your starting point for your home journey. And if you don’t want if you want, if you want except, you know, if you won’t put your feet in the blocks, you’re not going to get the gold medal for running the 800 meter race.
Unknown Speaker 34:25
You get in the blocks, because at any point, if you don’t have the starting point, you can’t do the journey. Because you know where you want to go. But you don’t know where you are. Then what direction do you take? Right? Like I want to come to where you live. Where do you live from Long Island, New York, New York. Okay, so I want to come and see you but I don’t know where I am. Right? I’m gonna find you. You would never find me.
Unknown Speaker 34:49
You make sure of it.
Unknown Speaker 34:53
I I’m deep in the woods, my friend.
Unknown Speaker 34:57
point is the point is I wouldn’t find you anyway, that’s one of the
Unknown Speaker 35:00
Wherever you are, I can’t find either, right, buddy. And if I don’t know where I am, and where I’m going, then I’m basically going to go around in circles. Right? If you want to do a journey, you got to be clear about your starting point. And you got to be clear about your goal. The starting point is the ache in the heart, when you feel that you’re already out of your head.
Unknown Speaker 35:20
See, because now you’re focused here, there’s no thoughts here, you can go and think about your heartache. But that’s what I’m recommending against, right. You just feel it, you feel what it feels like. And what it is, if you strip it down from all of the stuff, we talked about it, when your heart aches, it’s your heart, calling your focus, to come back home. Inside to its source in life, which is where you were when you were in your mother’s body.
Unknown Speaker 35:55
him out in the world and our senses took us out into the world. And we forgot that we ever had a place to come home to and then we try to fix on the outside. What can only be fixed on the inside? Because they could disconnect is on the inside. So your legacy on the outside will not fix that. No, definitely won’t. Your butt your butt you bringing your awareness back home inside to its source. We’ll fix that. And then you’re there’s no anxiety in that place. You cannot have anxiety in that place. Anxiety cannot live there.
Unknown Speaker 36:28
I’m not sure about this, my friend.
Unknown Speaker 36:31
I know you I know. Yeah. But as you as you’re talking, I’m thinking about you, you’re back in the womb, right. And I know, I know for a fact that when I was in the womb in utero, life was a very stressful place. I know this for a fact. Because I know my my parents, and they’re both batshit crazy. My father was a madman, I mean, a true madman in every sense of the word. And that and that I’m not blaming him. I know. I know, he had good point. But he was also when, and my mother smoked and drank and was in fear of him a lot. While she was pregnant with me, I’m sure that was an incredibly stressful time for me.
Unknown Speaker 37:12
But But let me tell you what wasn’t stressful, there was nothing to do. There was nothing for you to do. There was no place to go.
Unknown Speaker 37:21
All your feed feeds and your needs were taken care of, to the extent that, you know, right. I was getting hired smoking cigarettes, my mom was drinking and smoking.
Unknown Speaker 37:33
And you might have gotten a little bit of a little bit more stress on some of those habits that that’s true. But so nothing to do nowhere to go. Everything taken care of and relatively safe. Not like being in a hay horse drawn hay wagon with people. No,
Unknown Speaker 37:52
no, you win.
Unknown Speaker 37:55
But, but outside life is more stressful than inside life. Right? Even if your parents were batshit. Crazy. Right. But so getting back to a place where there was absolutely no stress. I don’t know if I could do that. I but it certainly can minimize it. Absolutely. There is a place in you that is 100%. Free of stress, you promise
Unknown Speaker 38:19
part of your makeup. But it’s a little deeper than you’ve gone. And you pretty much admitted that at the beginning. Yeah. Oh, I totally admit that. And but is this a good conversation? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 38:34
I know, we have people in many of the chat rooms that some of them know me. And I you know, I wonder if they would agree with you that I have this place of inner peace. Right. And people who know me know it, because I know human nature. I spent my life studying this, both scientifically and experientially. Oh, well,
Unknown Speaker 38:59
I there are a couple of things I wanted to talk about. And it all has to do with this. But I wanted to ask you about this thing called the god molecule quiz.
Unknown Speaker 39:10
You know, the God Particle of the Higgs boson I was so excited for that to be discovered. Once it got discovered. I was like,
Unknown Speaker 39:18
Unknown Speaker 39:21
I want to know about the God Particle because it’s it sounds exciting, but I don’t know about it. So please, educate me on God and God is not a particle.
Unknown Speaker 39:30
Let’s get that one straight. Now, even though I call it a god molecule, omega three, I’ll tell you why I said that.
Unknown Speaker 39:38
God is life. We talked about that. Right? Right.
Unknown Speaker 39:43
In molecules stored in the bonds, solar energy, but when you experience it subjectively, inside then that’s the that energy is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient in you. And that’s a definite
Unknown Speaker 40:00
Have God all power in you all presence in you, and, and all knowledge in you. Because you’re because life knows how to make a body, all you do is you stuff, crane. And then once you swallow, your job’s done, something takes over it digested, it breaks it down. It takes it to where it’s needed in the body. How does it do that? How does it know that? You know, we don’t even have a clue, right? And takes all of that. And then it replaces parts and the whole thing happens 98% of the atoms in your body are removed and replaced every year. So that means if I talk to you next year, you will only be 2% of the person I talked to today, right? That’s why healing is possible. That’s why a lot that’s why healing is possible, because your body’s always turning over.
Unknown Speaker 40:48
So the god molecule is, what is the molecule that is natural to your health? That has the most energy and oxygen? No, no, no, because the energy is created when oxygen reacts with other molecules.
Unknown Speaker 41:06
And in that process, the molecule is broken down. And the the solar energy is released. But I’m talking about how the the most sunlight, the most solar energy stored in a molecule is in omega threes. I did not know that. Yeah, fats have more energy than carbs. I think if you do high school chemistry, you know, carbs at four
Unknown Speaker 41:31
calories per gram fats of nine calories per gram. But the ones that have double bonds in them, the fats that have double bonds in them, which the omega threes have the most double bonds, they are the highest energy molecules of all of our nutrition molecules, that does two things, they give you more energy if you optimize their intake. And the second is they spoil quicker than, than anything if you don’t give them the care. They’re damaged by light by oxygen by heat, you know, oils can you can put oil on a cloth and leave the oil lying in a you know, confined space. And that that that rag with the oil in it can burst into flame as the as the oil is being oxidized.
Unknown Speaker 42:17
No, I did not know that. This is very it’s a very cool thing. So as you have to be careful when you put rags in garbage buckets, because sometimes you end up with the garbage burning, right?
Unknown Speaker 42:31
So does it matter where you get omega three from I mean, if you get up because I know they sell it in stores and capsule form.
Unknown Speaker 42:39
I have a problem with with pills, supplements and stuff like that never sat well with me. And I had a health guy health expert on several months ago and sent me a lovely gift of this kit of pills and stuff that were going to make me well probiotics and all that kind of stuff. And it was like 13 pills three times a day was insane. But it got me sick. After a week I was just feeling like I had all consistently sick for a week. And then I psychic who was on the show wrote to me and wrote me a letter out of the blue and said whatever was going on with your house, I think you’ll be fine as long as you don’t try any kind of crazy fads with you know, dietary supplements and stuff like that. Well, that’s enough reason for me to stop.
Unknown Speaker 43:27
You stopped because he agreed with you because you thought
Unknown Speaker 43:30
exactly I wanted to stop anyway, I just
Unknown Speaker 43:34
matter where you get them. But what is important is that they’re not damaged by light by auction and by heat. So when you make like when we make oils, we have very tight processing that protects the oil from light oxygen and heat, which damage damage the very rapidly from the time they’re closed in the seed where they’re protected because nature’s packaging is pretty good. To the time they’re in a brown glass bottle in a box in the fridge. Nitrogen flushed. So while they’re being pressed while they’re being filled, while they’re being filtered while they’re being settled.
Unknown Speaker 44:10
During all of that time, you want to have a really tight system so light oxygen and heat can damage the oil or you go to the source of sources. flax is the richest source of omega threes that is easily available if you put that in a blender drink or shake or something like that. I don’t know if you’d go that far even but, but then you you break up the seed because you have to break it up otherwise, if you eat the seed hole, it’ll go through you and you can plant it in and still grow. So you infection from it. Well sound like very
Unknown Speaker 44:43
well yeah, I didn’t have to chew it or you have to let something else to it for you got to Yeah. And as long as they are in their natural state and haven’t been damaged. It doesn’t matter where you go to get them. But there’s not that many you know, but if you if you’re eating
Unknown Speaker 45:00
There’s very little omega three in a potato. Right? So there are only certain foods have omega threes.
Unknown Speaker 45:07
And so if I, if I start taking Is there like a recommended dosage at how much you should get, I mean, it’s hard to know what I should just like, pick out on omega three, anything can get us all day long. Yeah, if you Well, if you, if you get, if you get two grams, which is not very much, you are already going to get some benefits we use, we use quite a bit more, we use maybe seven to 14 grams, we use it in oils, you know, I, I’ve created a method for making oils with health in mind. And omega threes need that method more than any other oil because they’re more sensitive than any other oil. So flaxseed oil, it should be in glass. If you put it in plastic, the plastic leeches into the oil, then you end up with plastic in your body. probably not a good idea.
Unknown Speaker 46:01
And or you eat the seeds that they come in. So you get the flax seeds. And you and literally you chew them up, and they stick between your teeth because they’re quite
Unknown Speaker 46:12
slimy fiber on them. For you too, by the way, but you know, but maybe he might not like that, then if you don’t, then you put it in a in a blender. And with vegetables or whatever it is you can put in, you know, whatever you do Eat, eat it and put it in your favorite food and just lose it in the food. You know, you just reminded me, I guess I’m really suggestible to these fads and stuff. But
Unknown Speaker 46:39
my cousin was having an operation, done a colon operation. And he said, The problem was, he wasn’t getting enough fiber in his diet. So I went crazy, because I got afraid that I don’t want that happen to me. Yeah, I started doing this heavy duty fiber diet. And that that was the best time I had felt. I don’t know why I stopped it. But I was feeling great on this extremely high fiber diet for about a month or so. And then for some reason, I just stopped. But that was the best I had felt in years. When I was on that thing, I guess. We in North America, we get about 11 grams of fiber a day, we’re supposed to get about 30. And the people in Africa who live on very simple Whole Foods, mostly plant based diets, they get like 100 grams of fiber, and no colon cancer. Wow, there’s a very, very strong relation with the fiber and colon cancer.
Unknown Speaker 47:37
And so we could be eating a lot more. And one of the best sources of fiber is flax. That slippery stuff is all fiber. Yeah, that’s what I was eating in wood. That’s what you were talking about flaxseed oil. I was like, yeah, that’s when I was on it. And I don’t know why I stopped. I was feeling great at that point. Nothing. Maybe you maybe you don’t deserve to feel good. Yet that.
Unknown Speaker 48:00
I think there’s some truth in that whether whether it’s a real deserve or just a belief deserve. Yeah, you know,
Unknown Speaker 48:09
obviously, the life didn’t say you don’t deserve it, because life would recycle us. If it didn’t think you were worth living, right. You were chosen by life to be alive. Yeah, I think that’s the best the best chooser and listen to life instead of listening to the people or your own ideas about not being worthy, while I’m trying to learn from everybody I have on this program, including yourself. And so a to what you just said, Yeah, but, but I had to talk to somebody who believes in rebirth or reincarnation a couple of nights ago and said, basically said that I chose, I choose life. And I chose this life before I was born. So you know,
Unknown Speaker 48:54
that you were life choosing to be born? Right? I was a body. Right?
Unknown Speaker 49:01
Is that true? Well, you know, it’s a it’s a, it’s a theory. It’s a theory. I don’t want to close my mind to any anything. But I am a skeptic about everything. And so I questioned everything. And so you know, it’s hard to know, when you talk to so many people who are experts in this and experts in that and it’s hard to know which path to really take sometimes. Of course, yeah. Yeah, it’s that’s the biggest issue. Yeah. Experts have a lot of agendas. I know that right. And then you and then, but you know what life has only one agenda, which is to take the best possible care of your body for as long as possible. With very little help from your from your brain.
Unknown Speaker 49:48
Right? Yeah, well, life, life and nature don’t have agendas like people do. So I always go that direction. If I want to know how something works or what I should
Unknown Speaker 50:00
do ask life.
Unknown Speaker 50:02
Look at how it was a nature before we got civilized.
Unknown Speaker 50:07
Because life created health in nature. And when we live out of line with our own nature, and with nature, we cannot stay healthy. Because the whole system we have for health, the genetic system was made in nature to adapt us to live in nature. And then you look at how far have we gone away from living in line with nature? That’s where all our problems come? Well, can we go back? And the reason I say Can we go back to living in nature’s I think we’ve poisoned the planet. Last night I had a guy on Who was he was educating me on the Pacific garbage dump all the plastic that’s in the
Unknown Speaker 50:49
Yeah. And so and I live in an area where
Unknown Speaker 50:54
there’s a nuclear power plant right outside my back door, there is a Plum Island where they did all this experimentation on different biological weapons and bio hazards and all that stuff. And the water here is contaminated. And so I’m like, yeah, back to nature. Sounds great. But is it even possible at this point? Or as time? Totally the planet? If you’re a deer, if you were a deer or ferret, you would move? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 51:26
Absolutely. And, and so the idea of not moving away from places that are not not livable is another human, funny human social idea. Right? Animals don’t have that idea. That’s a bit.
Unknown Speaker 51:44
That was a Sam Kinison bit, the comedian who said about hunger move to where the food is
Unknown Speaker 51:52
exactly what hunger is trying to tell you.
Unknown Speaker 51:56
And so and so it’s, it makes sense, we, we’ve done a lot of damage to the planet.
Unknown Speaker 52:02
None of it came from loving life.
Unknown Speaker 52:07
A lot of it came from fear, some of it came from anger, you know, finding enemies, defining enemies, trying to be you know, any, in the end, it all comes back to us. You know, I sprayed pesticides for three years before I got poison. I was bringing them out. But then I was walking around on what I had sprayed, right, and then I got poisoned in a way, you know, I, the, the, there’s a sentence, a crude sentence that sums up every environmental issue.
Unknown Speaker 52:38
If you shit in your nest, you will nest in your shit, right? And that’s a fact. And then we do, the cleaner the environment will become so every when when people come and say, Oh, do this and do that. And somebody wants to put calcium carbonate in the atmosphere and block, you know, if you’re going to do anything plant trees,
Unknown Speaker 52:58
because they make summers cooler and winters warmer, right? They, they they are like a, like a filter for extremes of weather and temperature. But generally, most things you want, you want
Unknown Speaker 53:15
to help the environment do less, you know, if 8 billion people sat and did nothing, sat on their Fanny and did nothing for all day, meditating, or at least not acting on their thoughts. If they just sat there and did nothing, nobody would get killed.
Unknown Speaker 53:35
You know what I mean? Yeah, I wish there would be no car accidents, you know, the less we do.
Unknown Speaker 53:44
And we do way more than we need to do, the less we do, the better the environment is going to be great. Well, water is cleaner than I’ve ever seen it in, in my lifetime, right in some places.
Unknown Speaker 53:59
The the the
Unknown Speaker 54:02
the porpoises are back in the canals in Venice, the dirty air over over China is clean. You know, the the colors are brighter. The water is cleaner, the water out here is so clean, I have I have never seen it that clean.
Unknown Speaker 54:19
We’re getting locked down and we have limitations on our movement. And we’re burning less gas and we’re doing less things. And frankly, you know, and when we I say when we can’t when you can’t go outside go inside. So we have more time to sit with ourselves and discover how incredibly rich we are by nature without any money without just by sitting there. Now do we still need to do things of course. You know if you’re going to really deep meditation I just about there. Oh boy. I’ve never done I gotta go pee right. So so so we are in a situation where we have the divine and the physical both living to
Unknown Speaker 55:00
Gather in one space.
Unknown Speaker 55:02
And we give the physical a lot of attention.
Unknown Speaker 55:06
And we give the divine very little. Yeah. And our lives are poor for that. I’m just thinking of the, I would love to add, I don’t know, if it’s 8 billion, I thought it was more like 7 billion. But well, however, you know what I said? 7.25 or so as a random number. You don’t know how many people fall through the cracks because crack of people is, you know, there are people in in the US that are not on the census. Absolutely. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:37
It’s worse, the idea of getting the whole world to stop, stop what you’re doing take a half hour or even just everybody do nothing at the same time. That would be a wonderful thing. But I think almost impossible, not almost impossible to get everybody to agree to because everybody’s got some agenda that they’re just not gonna. Sure. But COVID come closer than anything that I’ve ever not heard about in the past 5000 years, right? Right. But Homeworld lockdowns, not everybody following it. Not everybody is following it. But it really put people on notice. And a lot of people have taken more direction inward and are better for it. And that’s a good thing for the planet, it will be just an amazing thing to witness if we could even get a quarter of the world to kind of just sit in peace for half an hour. But, but the only one that you can get there is yourself. Right? So be before you save anybody else. Forget
Unknown Speaker 56:44
it for myself. But if I do that effort, then I will become a, I will become an influence in that direction. I can’t make anybody do it. But I will be an influence in that direction. And I will say things different than if I don’t do the practice. And I will act different than if I don’t do the practice. So at least in my life, I can live in peace in the midst of all the craziness,
Unknown Speaker 57:13
where peace lives within me.
Unknown Speaker 57:15
And I think that’s like that’s a very hopeful thing. We literally in the midst of all this can live
Unknown Speaker 57:24
lives that are fulfilled, that are rich, that are lit up from within.
Unknown Speaker 57:29
Because there’s nothing that can keep us from going to the heart of our being. I know early you told me you’re not an optimist. But that’s your sounds like optimism to me, but a realistic, I’m talking about how human nature is made. Okay, where we are short on time. And it’s something that you talked about, that I really, I think is an important thing for people to learn about. Because in these trying times, especially, I think loneliness has become a real major epidemic. And I know you talk about reframing loneliness to bed. And I think that that’s a powerful thing to end on tonight, if you can help us understand reframing. Loneliness is another word for the ache of the heart, from being self disconnected, which happens to everybody after they enter the world didn’t happen before when they were in mother’s body. But that’s part of the human process. Doesn’t happen to plants doesn’t happen to animals, but to human beings, we get disconnected. And loneliness is just one of those. So when you’re lonely, what’s the deal?
Unknown Speaker 58:38
You think somebody out there
Unknown Speaker 58:41
can maybe fulfill you, you know, when people say that you make me whole, no, if you’re not, if you don’t feel whole, within yourself, then you were going to go and get find somebody who maybe also doesn’t feel whole, she thinks is going to come from you. You think it’s going to come from her. I’m talking about my relationship.
Unknown Speaker 59:03
I have three kids and an ex wife. So when I saw the beauty in her, I said, Oh my god, there’s the goddess goddess. She saw me the same way. And, and so she thought her love was going to come from me. And I thought my love was going to come from her. But she couldn’t get in touch with the love to give it to me within her because she wasn’t connected to it. And I couldn’t get to the love in me, because I wasn’t connected to it. So if she can’t get to the love in her, and I can’t get into the love in me to bring it into the relationship, Where the hell is the love supposed to come from? Right? And that’s how that and that’s how that that’s what happens in those things. The loneliness is, I’m looking for someone to do my homework for you for me,
Unknown Speaker 59:47
and she can’t do my homework for me. So when people are lonely, it’s because they’re disconnected from themselves. They need to come home and when you come home, the loneliness disappears.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:00
Because you are whole in your nature, but you got to, you got to sit with yourself to discover. And then when you feel whole, then relationship becomes a whole other thing because now you can dance No, you’re not putting a burden on her she can’t carry. And she’s not putting a burden on you that you can’t carry, then you can dance and you can do whatever it is that you decide to do when you hang out together, but it’s not going to be, well, I’m going to hang out with you. Because you fulfill me. Or until I realized that you don’t fulfill me, and then I’m going to dump you. Right? That’s what we do. That’s, that’s why it’s really difficult for a lot of people, especially people in the creative arts. Because sitting with yourself, we don’t want a lot of us don’t like ourselves. I don’t like I don’t want to sit with myself, because I don’t like the company.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:52
I get I get
Unknown Speaker 1:00:54
it, but you’re wrong about that. That’s a delusional thought that you’re having. Because life never said that. No, I know. If life didn’t think you were worthy life would recycle you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:06
Like, so. So life, you’re here because life wanted you here. If you’re good enough for life, what what is the highest? What is a higher authority than life? When it comes to being here? Right? It’s not your mother’s not your father, you come through them. You don’t belong to them, you belong to life.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:25
And when life when life is done with you, they can’t save you.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:30
Right, great message. I wish I guess the website is who do erasmus.com you know, what is? What is the first step for people that engage with you? Is there like a consultation? What I mean that people get started working with you. Okay, I have two websites. One is budos choice.com. That’s where the products are I work with, with oils, enzymes, probiotics, probiotics are very useful for health.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:55
I know you
Unknown Speaker 1:01:57
were on the list of
Unknown Speaker 1:02:01
very, very. So that’s one and then the other one is Udo Erasmus calm, and we do some courses, and we do some educational stuff. And I’m on Facebook, and I have a YouTube channel and I’m on Instagram. I’m not hard to find. Okay, well put on. And I can go just about anywhere on anything that has to do with health, which is like, everything affects health. Yeah, I know. We don’t have enough time to cover everything that you talked about. Health, nature and human nature. Yeah, I appreciate your time. And we will put all the links in the description to make it easy for people. And so it’ll be nice. Let us know. And we’ll, we’ll promote you and like you’re promoting us straight love about podcasts. Yeah, we too. Well, I appreciate your your time here. And I gave me a lot to think about, get out of my head
Unknown Speaker 1:02:53
is what I have to do to process it. But I am going to give given practice, and then see if I can accomplish what what you suggested, which is kind of going inside. Yeah, if you want to see the thing about the practices, you have to want to do it. See I can give you different practices. But the issue you have to have to want to do it. And if you recognize that that your heart ache, is your heart calling you home, and and meditation is a tool to bring your awareness home, then the meditation makes sense. If you don’t understand that, then you do a meditation. That’s boring.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:30
Why Why should I do this? Yeah, no.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:34
Like, it’s like hunger makes food have meaning. heartache makes meditation of meaning. Beautiful stuff. Well, thank you. I wish you great success. And please come back sometime.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:45
I’ll continue this conversation a little deeper. I’d be happy to have it here. You’re a great guy.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:52
Thank thanks for coming and have a great night. Bye for now
Unknown Speaker 1:03:56
with our estimates, folks, and the links will be in the description. I’m sure you found this an interesting conversation. Hopefully you learned something here tonight. And hopefully you’ll give this a try to this idea of sitting with this thing that’s in your chest, whatever that thing is, whether it’s loneliness, anxiety,
Unknown Speaker 1:04:16
anything, you name it,
Unknown Speaker 1:04:19
and just trying to be quiet with it and sit with yourself. It’s a difficult thing to it’s an easy concept, difficult thing to undertake. For a lot of us and for me, essentially again, because as he mentioned, it’s something I tell myself the life isn’t telling me this but I don’t like the company.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:42
I know myself too well, I guess. Anyway, I’m gonna give it a shot and I hope you do too. I’d love to hear what you think about this program tonight. Write to me info at mind dog tv.com info at mind dog tv.com tomorrow afternoon when we have tomorrow afternoon at 1pm speaking of doing
Unknown Speaker 1:05:00
I can’t even pronounce a name that Natalie plum plamondon Thomas will be with us and she’s a business success coach,
Unknown Speaker 1:05:10
host and owner of Think for yourself that can think yourself calm. Anyway, that that’s our show tomorrow at 1pm. Eastern and then tomorrow night, we’re starting something new, which is going to be calling to open that open line. So you can call in and talk about tonight’s program, if you will, or talk about anything that happened to be on your mind, or any of the programs that we’ve had in the last week. We’re going to be doing this every Thursday night. So tomorrow night right here calling from 8pm to whenever probably we’ll probably have an extended program tomorrow night. So until then, I’m Matt nappo for the mind dog TV podcast. Thanks for coming. Have a great rest of your night and bye for now.
Actor, writer, producer and director, Bill Fichtner has had a long successful career in film and television and joins us to share his insight and perspective on the changing industry. He is currently seen on CBS in the popular sitcom Mom and his film Cold Brook can be seen on Showtime.
What’s the secret to longevity in the movie business? We’ll talk about it on this episode of the mind dog TV podcast.
Welcome my friends to another episode of the mind dog TV podcast. I’m Matt nappo. Thanks for coming. It’s great to have you here, special daytime taping of the podcast today to accommodate my guests who is out on the west coast. My guest today is an accomplished film actor for more than 30 years. He’s a writer, director and producer, and has some great insight and perspective to share with our film filmmakers and creative community in general that a part of the mind dog TV audience and part of my kind of extended family here. So without further ado, please help me welcome a man. Please open your ears, open your minds, and help me welcome in Bill fichtner. To the mind dog TV podcast, Bill fichtner. Welcome to the mind on TV podcast. Thanks for coming. Glad to have you here.
Bill Fichtner 1:17
My pleasure, man. Nice to have some sort of presence on Long Island.
So pardon my ignorance, but I haven’t had a television in my house for 10 years. And that’s on purpose. I kind of got tired of all the noise that cable TV news produced and just was sick of it. So I I took it out of my house. So I’m not very familiar with anything that’s happened in television in the last 10 years. And I’m kind of culturally on hip in in that regard. I understand that you’re on a current production on television that is produced by Chuck Lorre.
Bill Fichtner 2:05
Yeah, it’s a show called mom. And well, we got we got 20 of the 22 episodes in this year before they they sent everybody an email in early March and said, if you want anything in your dressing room, get it now. Because we’re shutting down. This is season seven, I think you know, you know Long Story Short. during season three. Chuck Lorre had reached out to me and had a conversation with me about playing a role on there. Just a guest spot like three or four episodes. Small Ark and, and a you know, I listen, I don’t get a lot of calls in my life for multi cam sitcoms. I the only other one that I’ve ever actually had in my life was like 28, nine years ago with another Chuck Lorre show called grace under fire. Remember that one? Yeah. In the first season, I played this Petro chemist named Ryan sparks and and Chuck hired me for that way back then. I don’t know what check, see something that no one else in this business does. But I’m glad that he does. So he called me and he said, Listen, if you come on, well, you got to give me three or four episodes because I want to do this arc with the character. His name is Adam Jana koski. And so, so I went and I did the three or four episodes. And then on the last show that I always do, you know, wave to the audience, and you do a little hug as you’re walking, you know, with the writers and the producers and everything. And he said to me when you say goodbye, listen, I’m not done with this. And I was like, Well call me. So a couple of months later, the writers called and Chuck and everybody to run the show and said, you know, would you be interested in coming back? full time and then so I went back full time season 456 and now we’re just finish, you know, or a little bit short of season seven. And there’s another season eight to go whenever that spills out, you know? So yeah, that’s my that’s my whole mom thing. Well,
Chuck is obviously a success in just about everything he touches these days. So but seven years in television, seven, seven long seasons is is the mark of a very successful television show.
Yeah, for sure. You know, mom is one of those shows where I mean, listen, I I know everybody says this about the show that they work on. But I can say this and it’s absolutely true. You don’t get better writers than in Chuck’s group but just about everything that he does, especially with mom, these these people are so under unbelievable. It’s exchange it all week long as we work on a building up to the Friday night to the live show. And by the time Friday night comes along, it’s tight and it’s really good and you know, for me Personally, the one thing that I do want to say about mom is that I’ve done two series in my life. And each one was when each one of my sons was in high school. And, you know, doing a series is the closest thing to any sort of like, you know, regular regularity or regular job to ever have in showbiz. Right? Yeah. And I’ve been so grateful especially, I mean, I did the show called Prison Break when my older boy was in high school, and but now living in California at that time, well, now at that time, I just moved out here to but I, you know, now with my younger son, who’s a pretty big sports boy football, baseball and, and, you know, Warner Brothers is like, 15 minutes from his school. And I have to tell you, I finished work, and I don’t miss many games, and I love it. And I’m so grateful to have that show. Not only creatively, but you know, just to logistically have, you know, my life and family and everything that it’s been a bit of a godsend, and I’ve been really grateful and so happy for it.
Well, I just wanted to touch on mom, because, you know, I know, it’s something you’re doing now. But one thing that intrigued me, looking up the show is that you seem to be the only male kept on the show.
Bill Fichtner 6:17
Oh, no, I meant. There’s a guest spotter, too. But, you know, sometimes this is God’s honest truth, man I’ve had, I’ve had each of the ladies on the show. And they’re an incredible group of six women. And at some point or another, I think every one of them has said to me, and some of them multiple times. I don’t know how you deal with all these women. But and I look at them. And I say this is this is I grew up. My parents divorced when I was young. And that was in the mid 60s. So I grew up with my mother and four sisters. And and I look at everybody a mom, they’re like, how are you doing? I’m like, Ah, it’s just like I use you know, when you grow up, and you’re around, you know, like, really dynamic women. You get it? I get it. Yeah, no, smooth as silk.
So I’m glad you mentioned your upbringing, because I want to use you to kind of give some insight to my audience who was largely in the creative arts and a great deal of them are filmmakers and actors, directors and, and upcoming, and they think your insight and perspective would be incredibly valuable to these people. So when did you always want to be an actor? Was that always your ambition in life?
Bill Fichtner 7:41
I have to tell you, it is God’s honest truth. I don’t ever remember in high school, even going to any, like high school production or play. I mean, I’m sure they had them. And I know that because I’ve seen them in the yearbook. But you know, I mean, the group that I hung out with, we were right out the back door and probably right over to the hockey rink. But growing up outside of Buffalo and check the log in New York. No, not even slightly. Matt. I, you know, All I knew is I had a I had a counselor in high school that said to me, Mr. Ryan, and he said to me, you know, William, if you do a little bit better, you know, you could you could go to college, and that was kind of like, you know, wow, wow, it really would that be a possibility? So, and then my dad suggested, you know, there’s a school on Long Island, SUNY Farmingdale, and criminal justice might be an interesting degree. And it’s not like I was really thinking about it that much in high school, but I thought, wow, I love the island. I’ve got relatives from one end of the island to the other. And, you know, I could, I could see my aunt Charlene all the time over these days. So I thought, wow, I gotta, I gotta go. I gotta go check out Farmingdale. And I did. And I applied, and I got it. And so I went to farming as a criminal justice major. And then farming at the time was a two year school Ag and tech school. So then I had to transfer and I transferred to SUNY Brockport outside of Rochester, still not, you know, as a criminal justice major. But long story short, when I when I got to Brockport, I was there about a week and I got a call from an admissions counselor. And they said to me, Listen, you’re short, one fine arts course that you need for your core. And I said, Oh, okay, so what’s that? And they were like, Oh, you know, like an intro to theater class. And then I’m like, Well, what else you got? And they said, Well, we have an improv class. You can take that and I was like, what’s improv? Well, and they gave me a course description. I’m like, Oh, well, it’s more of an intimate class. Sure. I’ll, I’ll do the improv class. Now, that, you know, give credit where credit is due. There was an admissions counselor at Farmingdale, a gentleman named Don Harvey, and I met him and that’s one of the reasons why I really wanted to go to Farmingdale too because he was such a cool guy and supportive. You know, he took me one time to see a Broadway show. I was, you know, he was like a mentor. I was really close to him when I was out of Farmingdale. And, and so that was really mind blowing to see like, you know, the first time I ever really saw play was like, you know, Broadway show, which was incredible. But then when I transferred up the breadboard, so I took this improv class. And I had a teacher and Aaron, her name was Sally Rubin. And she said to me, after about a month or six weeks into the semester, she asked me to step up to class one day, and she said, Listen, I don’t say this a lot. I don’t know if I’ve ever said this. But I really, I think, I think you should do this. I think you should do this in your life. You understand a moment you understand what it is to like, Listen, these are like things that make an actor and I have to tell you that as that would be like saying to me, you know, once you go build a spaceship in your backyard, I mean, out of the blue, and I’m like, I get always a compliment. But it’s not like I’m thinking about, you know, I really want to go down this road and be an actor. But I loved this improv class so much. And then for the next two years at Brockport, I took selected, like, you know, things that I could take, you know, as a non theater major, and then I graduated, and, you know, it was, it was decision time, like, what are you going to do in your life, you know, I, I applied, I was taking a federal police exam in Buffalo. I remember being in the middle of the exam thinking, I don’t think I’m going to do this. And I, I researched and I and I did an audition for the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York, a regional audition in Syracuse, where I did it somebody’s office and, and I got in, and I just shifted my life on a dime and got on a bus in Buffalo and got off at Port Authority, and stayed with my aunt Tootsie and a story and, and started waiting tables Matt, and going to school. Wow. So how it really how it really kind of began,
I asked this question of Eric Roberts. Last weekend, I was kind of surprised that his answer. And I basically I, I posed it as is. A lot of people see what you do. And maybe it’s not hard work. But they also tend to think, well, it’s just a matter of luck, and and not really so much hard work. And Eric, you basically blew me away with this answer. what degree do you think luck plays in in your career?
Bill Fichtner 12:40
I think you create your own luck, I don’t think I don’t think there’s a lot of luck. That’s what
I the answer. I I don’t think there’s a lot of luck. Listen, you know, what, what, what I always do say to people over time, I do believe this. You’re in it long enough, you put your 10,000 hours in my first agent in New York, you know, little tiny desk in the old equity building in Times Square with an ashtray that was about six inches high. And he said, Put your 10 years and Bill. You know, it might happen before it might happen after but you put your 10 years. And what I do think is that if you hang in, everybody’s going to get a shot. Are you ready when you get it? Right, right. Everybody’s going to get a shot. Now, that being said, you know, you know, there’s a lot of avenues to go in the entertainment business, a lot of people begin as an actor, and it may not be, that might not be your thing. In the end. I remember getting when I got into my first after the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, I, which is the time when you went there was a second year and you were invited back for that. And I got invited back to the second year. Not all kids work. I chose not to go for a lot of reasons. But what I wanted was I wanted a good scene study class. They call them studios. I mean, there’s like the Michael Howard studio, there was the William Esper studio, the different acting playwrights horizons, these are a lot of things I remember back then I’m sure they’re different now. But back then I wanted to get into one of these like Acting Studios. And so I got into one of those. And I remember the first one that I was in a teacher named Peter Thompson. And there were 20 kids in that class. And they were really talented. And I wish I thought like everybody knew more than me, because I didn’t do it in high school. I didn’t really do it in college, I never really did a play a whole play outside of a scene or something. And I could tell you out of those 20 Kids after a few months, they were all good. But I could point out the five of them that were that were really in it. And and I think you know what I mean by that like, really in it. That’s the We’re gonna do, we’re gonna, and I, and I kind of felt at that time, that that was one of them. And, and I thought everybody in the class was really amazing. But there was a difference. And I think that there’s a tenacity and and never give up. But also, you know, acting is one of those things too, that I think you can teach somebody how to you know how to get better. But I don’t know, if you can teach somebody how to act, I think there’s an innate thing about, you know, being in a moment. Wow, listening, I really do I, I’m not sure if you can teach that one thing. I don’t know,
I tend to agree with you. On on this point. And I mentioned this about a young actor who I had on the podcast recently. And what it is, is authenticity and a believability about them. And a natural idea, I know this guy, I can relate to this guy, no matter what role they’re in. And I don’t think everybody can do that, especially on camera. So you know, stages is kind of different. But I think with you, and I’m not blowing smoke, everything I’ve seen you when it feels like you’re a real person, it doesn’t feel like you’re acting. And I you know, I’m not sure if that’s training or natural ability, but you’re very, you’re very real to people. And authentic is the word I like to use. And I don’t think you can teach authenticity.
Bill Fichtner 16:28
Well, thank you. I think that, you know, there’s also something to be said about this to about what I said a minute ago about, you know, I don’t think you can teach somebody, you know, a lot of people have the innate ability to do certain things, whether it’s an inner calling, whatever. But, you know, I can tell you this much from the field of being wanting to be an actor and wanting to be a working actor. There’s a lot of stuff that comes with that. And there’s a lot of worry, there’s a lot of, you know, fear. Am I good enough, you know, you know, there’s nervousness when you’re younger than that. I remember walking into auditions and walking out one time and just saying, I, I can’t, I can never do that again. I mean, I was just so nervous, like, I can’t, I can’t do something that makes me sick. But so there’s that element to it. People have to fight through that and get through the other side of that, right. You know, I think you know what I mean. But then, then it gets back to that tenacity thing, you know, right. I remember one day when I had an epiphany moment when I was like, 25, six, or maybe 27 years old, and I was living in the West Village. And I just one day, it was just, I had no money, I had nothing, I had no job at nothing. And I had to go back to getting another job waiting tables, and I kind of worked a little bit got away from that. And I was going back and I felt like I was falling backwards. And everything sucked in I I thought I walked back to my little tiny apartment, I said, That’s it, man. I’m going back to school changing my life. Well, that lasted about like, 25 minutes. And I’m like, Alright, there’s nothing else I want to do. So why don’t you get over that bill and get back at it. I don’t think once the creative bug bites you. You’re kind of diseased with it for the rest of your life. But what you said what you just said right there, I think applies to everything in the creative arts, whether you’re a musician, a comedian, writer, whatever, you whatever you do, I think we all will all that you just said kind of applies to all that the the moments of self doubt the moments of I feel like I’m falling back instead of moving forward and all that stuff that you have to fight through.
Unknown Speaker 18:50
Yeah, yeah, it is. There, you know, and, you know, for those that hang in and, and are lucky enough to, you also have to have things go your way. Not Not to say like I said earlier, I don’t think luck has anything to do with it. I don’t think luck has anything to do with how much of your heart and soul you put into it. That’s an inner thing. I then there will come a time later on. Sure. You know, you know, the stars got to align a little bit you could call it the universe, smiling on you call it luck, but you’re going to need a little bit of that. And everybody will get a little bit of that. I think moment happens, you know, what do you do with it? Right?
I think there’s a point where and I think a lot of people get hung up on this is, as you mentioned, it’s kind of like you make your own luck and you build your own luck by your networking by you by working hard and making the right contacts and people seeing that your work is good. And seeing that you’re you’re have some integrity in your work. And that kind of opens up more doors. And the the key thing is to recognize opportunity when it comes your way. So, with that in mind, have you? Have you ever taken roles that you didn’t like just to work? Or? Or did you just Will you? Have you been blessed to have always been part of productions that you really felt good about?
Bill Fichtner 20:25
I love this question. And I will say this, and I don’t. And I mean, and I don’t wear this is like a badge of honor of like, you know, man, I drew the line in the sand of that. But I’ve always had a thing that if I didn’t believe in something, I’m positive that I’m not going to be very good. And, and it was a big fear. And I remember as a young actor being in New York, and I remember one time is Disney before I ever did a film because listen, I moved to New York when I was 21. Everybody I knew got a job in a movie before me. And not that I didn’t want to do things on stage. But I really wanted to work in film someday. And I did my first official film, I did a small little part, but I didn’t really count that it was kind of like a glorified extra. But my first official film that I got, I was 36 years old. 15 years of going for it and never getting a getting a job doing it. Wow. And yeah, no, that’s how long and then when things shifted, everything shifted. But, you know, getting back to this thing about I, I always had this fear that if I if I didn’t believe in something that I would be bad, and it was a big fear, and I want to be bad. So one time in New York, I’m a young actor, I finally got an agent. And I get an audition for this is pretty popular, pretty successful, very well known casting director in New York, I read the script, it was a big of is a Hollywood director. I’m a young guy trying to get a job in a movie. I read the role. I didn’t like it was the role of a pedophile. And I was like, Listen, I’m an actor, you know, I go out on a road I try to find, find the guy in that. But I read that I don’t want to find it’s, it’s my choice. You know, and then, you know, I had people I remember friends at the time going, Well, that’s acting, and I said, Well, we’ll then go active while you try to get it. I don’t feel like I don’t feel like going down that road. Because I didn’t believe in it. Right. And my agent at the time said to me, Are you out of your mind? And I said, Wow, I’m sorry. But I do you want me to do you want me to go in there and meet this famous casting director and, and director and tell him Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, when I’m really not interested in it. Because that’s walking in there in line. So I’m gonna you want me to go in there and lie to them. I don’t want I don’t want to play. I don’t want to do that. And they were like, Well, you know, and then the casting director was like I said, this big famous casting director, apparently said back to my agent at the time, I used that kid out of his freakin mind. He never called me again, ever Wow, ever called me again, for anything that he ever cast after that. I’m like, you know, and I felt bad. But I’m like, Well, what are you gonna? Do you make your choices? So to answer your question, to get back to it, know that I don’t take things just for money. And it’s not like, I don’t need to make money and ever family and all of that. I got offered a film one time, that was another part that I was just, I couldn’t stand it. And it was, you know, an indie independently financed film, and it was more money that I had ever made in a movie, at that point in my life ever. And I was and I hadn’t worked for like six months. And I got the script, I showed it to my wife, I went down in my man cave. I got about halfway through it. And my wife came down. And she said, so how was it? You know, she was so excited. I said, Oh, I stopped that two page like, 50 it sucks. She knew right then and there, it’s not going to happen. I’m gonna just know I can’t.
So but on that, on that note, is it more important that the entire story be really good? Or is it enough that the character that you are going after the role for is really, really inspiring and something you want to do?
Bill Fichtner 24:27
It’s a combination of all of it, you know, it’s, you know, there’s a lot of parts to like, like a film or television show or something? Who are the fellow actors? What’s the story? I mean, it all it all and I’m old school in that way. If it’s not on the page, it’s not on the stage at all begins with a great script. Who’s doing the part? You know, you find, you know, you never know what it is, you know, maybe one area comes up a little shorter. Maybe it’s a, you know, maybe it’s a director you’ve never heard of before, you know, I mean, I, I had a guy send me a script, this past October and first time director but didn’t know the guy didn’t know anything about the guy had a conversation on the phone with him. I was like, awesome, dude. I’m in. Wow, man, I just I believe, I believe what he had to say. I liked the role a lot. I liked the whole story and everything. You know, it’s whatever it is, you know, enough stuff come together and you’re like, that’s a worthy journey. I want to take I want to take that journey.
You mentioned the pedophile role and is does that come into your thought process? I don’t want to play a guy that people are gonna associate with the bad guy.
Bill Fichtner 25:40
You know, man, well, listen. Listen, I’ve my good buddy Kim coats and I that’s a Canadian actor that I met shooting Black Hawk Down and and we’ll talk about him in a little while because I shot that film that I wrote with another friend for me and Kim coats to do together. But cozy and I got this thing that we say to each other which is Come on man. If you’re if if you work in movies in this business, you have blue eyes and cheekbones you kill people. That’s it. I’ve played my my chair of like heavies. I tend to, I tend to call them like misunderstood characters. But yeah, yeah. But I listened. I I’ve even I found this thing that well, it’s, it’s the words that I use for it. Which, if you if I can’t find anything that a character cares about, then I don’t know how to play him. Because he’s not like a real person, you know, that people don’t think they’re bad. So what makes that a real person, even though he is he could be a bad guy or a bad guy in that script? What does he care about? When you find the answers to that, and then he gets to be a real person. I’ve read scripts where I thought there’s absolutely no redeeming quality whatsoever. And, you know, I was what do I do with it? And you know, not really, just not for me.
Bill Fichtner 27:07
All right, shifting gears a little bit here, just a tiny bit here. A lot of upcoming. People, people who are young, and and want to be in film, start from one perspective, I want to be an actor, I want to be a director, I want to be a producer. And they end up being all of those things. And they feel it’s out of necessity. So a lot of people think young people, especially the young filmmakers, I’m talking to be bad the writer, director, producer, and all of that even editor and sometimes even camera man, or you know, they do at all? I know, you’ve had some experience with that, but I’m not sure your experience applies so much to what they’re doing. Because you weren’t established after before you started doing that stuff. But maybe you can speak to that a little bit about the the toll it takes to do all the jobs the the emotional investment you have to make when a film is all yours. And, and the the long process that you’re buying into when when you do that.
Bill Fichtner 28:21
Yeah, you know, that’s a it’s a big question with a lot of what a lot of offshoots but you know, two things to say about that. One is this. Everything is so different in this day and age today than it was. I graduated college in the spring of 1978 and moved to New York. And you know, people back then looked for jobs, like on Broadway or Off Broadway, then then 10 years after that five years after that it was anywhere that you could get a job smaller theaters, it’s things were so different is they are today today is you know, the age of information happened. And you know, the technology of what people can do with iPhones people are I got a buddy that shot a film a feature film, a friend of mine named Bobby out of Dallas, Texas, he shot a feature film with his iPhone, right? And he got into the Toronto Film Festival with it. So things are different where where do you get your opportunities? If if somebody is so inclined that like you know, it? I would imagine if that same technology that is out there today, and the possibilities and what’s available to young artists, you know, boy, I think we all would have been making movies back then. We’re doing what people are doing today. Again, it was different back then it was like you know you wanted to be an actor you that’s the road you’re on. Didn’t seem like many people split away from that. But, you know, to be more specific about your question. I can tell you this from my experience. Instead of making a feature film that I thought about for 10 years, and then to go through to produce it directly and co write and play the CO leading it and everything, it’s, it is the most total, most fulfilling, hardest freakin thing that I ever did. Life can’t wait to do it again. Bad but it is, it is it creates it creatively. Anybody that that can that can take that road and put it together, and to actually get it to people. And if you are so lucky, because now, not only is it you know, the percentages are small for those that can do all of that and finish it. But if you can finish it and actually make something if you could get it into a film festival, if you could someday sell it, the percentages go from like 10 to 15. You know, I mean to 10 to eight to six to four to two, and then someday to ever see the light of day and see a movie screen. You know, people think, oh, you go on you make a movie, people are gonna see it, I think you’re in the less than, like, 1% I’ll ever see a screen or to get released. My point is this, if you’re so inclined, and that’s how you creatively, you know, you’re so moved, God bless you go for it. hardest thing in the world, but go for it. Because it is those that will take that chance, just like it was for somebody back when I decided that with my criminal justice degree to get on a on a bus in Atlanta Port Authority, you know, with $60 in my pocket. Boy, you gotta have something inside of you go for it. Because if you don’t, it’s never gonna happen.
I’m really glad to hear you say that. You can’t wait to do it again. Because a lot of the guys I’m talking to are discouraged by that process. And I’ve asked several, you know, what’s it worth it? Just Just as a matter of back then the movie you would just kind of talking about was that colebrook? Yes. Oh, yeah. Great film. I like a movie that that sticks with you after you’ve seen it? And you think about it for a few days after?
Unknown Speaker 32:08
Unknown Speaker 32:09
and and that that film definitely had that for me. But the question is, now, when you’re doing something like that, now, you said you thought about it for 10 years, when you’re writing a piece like that, do you take into account what it’s going to take to produce this as you’re writing it, or you just write three, you know, from your heart from, you know, put down what you want, and don’t think about how you’re going to fund it and produce it until it’s time to fund it and produce it.
Bill Fichtner 32:41
But listen, I’m gonna, I’m sure that that part of what I’m going to say is even going to be useful, even to someone who’s just beginning, you know, put themselves on the road to doing this in their life. There will be some value in this, but I have to tell you, there were times when when I met some co producers, a couple of folks from Canada, great people that really believed in the script and wanted to get behind it and be a part of it. There were times when the conversation would go. Well, you know, we should think about that for you know, it felt like there were times when the conversation would almost be like a means to an end. And what I mean by that it’s like, well, we should think about this, because that way that’ll be smarter for like foreign sales. And there’s real value in that because the truth about it is, you know, it’s show business, not so friends, let’s go have a good time and try to do something, you really you want to make something that’s creatively, you know, your, that you believe in, but at the same time, you know, you have investors, you want to pay these people back. That’s my big commitment about Cole brookton. To get to that point someday. But there also is this thing, where you got to stop and go, Oh, more than a few times. And this is the old school and mead said, Hold on a second, wait a minute, wait a minute. It’s a movie isn’t any good? If it’s not, if it isn’t the best that it could be? Well, that you just skipped the step right there. You know, that’s what let’s not put the cart before the horse. Right? You know, I remember there were times when we were, you know, running out of money in post production, and we weren’t going to have money for the sort of music that I felt needed to be in there. You know, we really fell on this, like American folk rock sort of, you know, soundtrack to it. And that would be the sound of the film. And, well, there wasn’t any money. So why don’t we just get like, you know, 10th music that’s like, from like, you know, some GarageBand and I’m like, No, no, no, we’re not gonna do that. But you know, that’s, that’s not. So now we’re thinking about it. Now we’re putting band aids on thing or we’re not going to really give it 100% in every single area of the movie. And I’m like, Well, I can’t do that. Well, what’s the point that you know, maybe Sometimes you’re going to be forced into certain things, knock on wood that I’m that, you know, while I did call Brooke, I was working on this show, as we talked about mom, and I’ve got a massively understanding wife, because I remember looking at Kimmy gone, I’m sure she goes, well then fix it darling. Because you have to write and and I do believe that anybody that creatively has taken this walk down the road, boy, draw a line in the sand and know where you can go and can’t go and do whatever you have to do to have it be your vision. Wow. Because if you don’t have that, it is not vision by committee. Right? You know, people are going to are going to put their two cents in and I have to tell you something, I wanted people’s two cents I really did. It may not, it may not be a thought that has any value to my journey or what I want. But there’s an awful lot of people that told me stuff that I was like, Oh, thank you. I didn’t see that one. Budget don’t lose. You know, what you’re trying to say? what your vision is, what you’re feeling is? Because if you do, I don’t know what you’re making that and you probably won’t know it either. Right? Right,
I get it. So you mentioned how the industry has changed. And it truly has now for young people trying, they finish their film, right. And they have so many possibilities of how do I get it out there do I shop it around, whatever. But some of those seem to be. And I hate to make it all about money, some of them seem to be a dead end road where it’s never going to be feasible to pay back your investors in any of that, anything like that. And I’m talking specifically about like, you put a film on as, say, Amazon Prime, and I’m not singling them out, I’m just that’s an example. But and you put it on there and you every time your movie gets paid or played for two hours, or whatever it is, you get like six cents or whatever. And so it’s ridiculous to try to think that it’s ever going to make its money back this that come into your thinking when you’re making a film where How am I going to distribute this? Or do you in your case? Do you know in advance where it’s going to go and how it’s going to get distributed?
Bill Fichtner 37:19
Well, first of all, no, you don’t know because you’re making the film at that point. And all I want to do while I’m making the film, is make the best film that I could possibly make, to tell the story as best as I can to have it be seamless in the moments were all of those things that make a complete thing. Now once you have that, like you mentioned amazon prime, you know not well, you got to sell it to Amazon Prime. If you if you go out and you get a distributor, the distributor will try to sell it to Amazon Prime and every other place they can including potentially cable stations, whatever, HBO Showtime, you don’t know you want, you want all the best possibilities. And those collectively, little by little like you said, you’re going to get six said, well, you get six cents, you know, 2 million times you’re going to you’re going to help start to pay some people back. But, you know, truth be told, you know, even even when I shot called Brook, at my age right now, I have to tell you something, I went to school. I mean, I earned I earned a master’s and 12 months, you know, figuring out what to do with this stuff. There were there were so many things that I truly was unaware of, of distribution of what you had to do. But the only thing that really drove me and let’s face it, anybody else that makes a film, go out there and, and, you know, plan and pray for the 17 miracles, you’re going to need to have happen because you will need them and they will come. And but even with all of that. There were things that I was I was unaware of disown aware of and learned on the fly. But I never lost sight of the one thing as I said, which was make the best movie that you can i because that’s the best shot you have of ever having people see the film.
I really appreciate that answer.
Bill Fichtner 39:21
Oh, yeah. And you know, listen, listen, we’re in. We’re in the throes right now with colebrook sure, you know, in the process of getting, you know, the tax incentive back from upstate New York, great, you know, we’re in the process of you know, I got a distributor for it. I took it to film festivals didn’t get into every festival, but the earthy kind of ones like like Woodstock in upstate New York and Napa Valley Film Festival out. You know, a lot of these earthy kind of festivals that are great festivals. They really got the film. And so I took it to these festivals and we want awards at these festivals. All, you know, in my mind, I’m thinking, Okay, I got an indie film here. One of these days, if I ever get a distributor, I’m gonna make a post about for this film, and I’m not posting I’m gonna put some laurels and, and it’s gonna be that I won some things that these indie films, you know, it means a lot to me. Yeah, I mean listen to it meant a lot to all of us when we all went to the festivals, all the actors in it and other people involved and just had an awesome time celebrating the movie, but I knew someday it would help, it would help someday in selling the film. It’s just a little piece of the puzzle. And people recognize the song. So it’s these things and when you start to put them all together, and getting back to does the movie work, and then then you can start to see, and this is where the education really came in for me of how does everybody make the money back. And it’s, it’s my commitment. I’ll tell you this much too. And it’s important to say this, because, and I’m not saying anything that any young filmmaker probably hasn’t experienced, multiple times, or the first time for sure, which is, I remember the conversation where we needed something while we were shooting called Brook. And I was like, we didn’t have the money. And I’m like, Well, you know, pay my co writer but defer my payment on as a writer, as someone else came up. And you know, we’re in post production and well, the for my payment is producer. Oh, yeah, we got this thing here. We’re short on money for music differ my payment is what he called us as a director. You know, the only thing that I got paid on was Screen Actors Guild because you have to, but everything else that was did come down as a choice to me, it was like, put it back in the movie. And you’re going to have things like that. And you have to, because it makes a better movie. And in the end, you have to give yourself the best shot to have success for the film. And it all comes back to how good is the film? Is it everything you wanted it to be? Did you put everything in with that you could set your best shot.
So having that experience. I’m not sure if you have any advice, but I got to ask for a young guy who really wants to be an actor, but feels like he has to write his own because he’s not getting the opportunities. I’m not sure even have had, they would follow that path in today’s world. But if you’re really serious about I just want to be an actor. But I feel like I have to make this film myself. I have to write it and produce it and directed. Do you have any advice for that? Would you say stick to your your true strength in acting or directing or whatever it is, rather than go that route and try to make your own film right from the start? Because, again, I know you were an established actor, before you even took that upon yourself. A lot of these guys are coming out of the gate thinking that’s what they have to do.
Bill Fichtner 43:00
Yeah, you know, you know, Listen, man, it’s even the thought that of like, not getting seen as an actor and I’ll make my own thing. I mean, that is so that’s like speaking a foreign language when I when I was young. Nobody you know me now. It’s just like, out of the book. Imagine that thinking, well, nobody’s gonna hire me as you know, as a chef, I’m just gonna open up my own restaurant.
That’s what Stallone did, though with Rocky. I mean, I know he was in some parts before that. But I think he felt like he wasn’t getting enough. At least this is from what I’ve read that he he wasn’t getting enough part. He wasn’t getting enough opportunities. So he just said, You know what, screw it. I’m just gonna write my own thing, direct it and produce it.
Unknown Speaker 43:48
That’s what I have read over time as well. But you know, listen, what you know what happened with Stallone and Rocky and who was it? Who’s, what’s the Hollywood folklore that Who was it that the studio’s really wanted to play the part? Oh, yeah. Somebody like Robert Redford. You know, and, and, and apparently still on was like, No, no, no, it’s me. A you know, listen, I love that story. It’s a great story. It’s a great film. He’s great in it. And that’s, I mean, that’s like beyond rare,
right? lightning in a bottle for sure.
Bill Fichtner 44:26
Oh, just lightning and and a really, really, really big bottle and a little diesel lightning that was just magic. But, but listen to to somebody. You know, if a young actor CAG can’t get a job, you know, it isn’t making a movie isn’t necessarily going to put you on the road to be a better actor. Right? You know, you can never let go with the fact of how am I a better actor. Listen, I every three years I still read the same acting book I bought 40 years ago. goal. So you know, everybody’s gonna make you know, and I always find the little something new in it. But, you know, you’re always a student of that. But. But if you go down that road and put all your heart and soul and energy into writing and producing and what it takes and directing and everything, you know that you might just find out that Wow, you’re one, you’re one heck of a storyteller, and you’ve just found your calling. And you might not. But But again, you aren’t going to know until that is? And I don’t really know, you know, that’s it. I find interesting, you know, even the question that you asked, there’s a guy that can’t get an acting job. Is that a, is that a real place to go? If you’re inspired to go there? And you want to show your stuff in that way? That is this day and age, you know, and stranger things have happened, right? Well, I’m how tell people can, can, can can make a difference in their life?
Unknown Speaker 45:58
Clearly, I don’t have the insight and experience you have the might, my tendency to answer that question is, if you really want to be an actor, you should concentrate on being an actor, because getting involved, especially when you’re young, I’m thinking I’m playing. Because getting involved in writing and directing is great for the future. But if your goal is to be an actor, don’t let other things distract you from that. Because, again, I know you know this from going through it. And I’m actually going through it right now making my own film, that it’s a life investment, when you when you actually go to make a film and you are the guy, you are the director, you this is your film, you’re you’re giving up part of your life to make this film, it’s like it’s worse than having a, I’m not going to stay in it because all fine ladies, it’s like having a child but not as painful physically.
Unknown Speaker 46:57
It’s, you know, as I said, before, hardest road I’ve ever walked down. And a little bit of, you know, my own personality, I’ve you know, I’m the guy that wakes up in the morning and opens up the curtains looks in the backyard. And if I see one shrub, that’s kind of like weird, you know, I’ll end up getting a cup of coffee and a pair of little scissors, and I’ll go out there. And so I’m the was the same way making colebrook. You know, I just, I couldn’t put a bandaid on anything that I thought could be just a little bit better. So yes, it is. It’s a massive, massive commitment. You want if you want to be like the most incredible actor that you can be? Go Go find out how to work that hard to be that I do agree with you. I just think that there were there’s never really been any rules. But there’s a lot less now than there were when I first moved to New York, right? It just feels like things are reinvented on a weekly basis, you know, or a daily basis. Yeah. And that is that is our world, you want to you want to reinvent yourself and, and, you know, take a journey. Go for it. You You may find that is that is your thing. It’s it’s, it’s almost in some ways, it’s almost an impossible question to answer. Because my answer would be one of my experience that was, you know, began 40 years ago, and my experience is not the world. Right. And, but but I still have some, but But then again, you know, listen, the old sensibilities, some of them, you know, are always true, right? You know, I remember when, you know, the first time my mother came to visit me in New York, and I was in the late 70s, I had a little apartment and queens and. And she came to the city and we went around on the subway and looked at things and she went back to my apartment and, and she said, Well, it only looks like there’s two things you have any control over honey. And I said, What’s that mom? She goes, how much work you put into it, and how clean your apartment is? And that’s it. That’s how much are you willing to put into it? Great.
So a lot of the young guys filmmakers to directors feel like they need to really pursue a name or actor or somebody who’s a household name and get frustrated when they can’t, you know, you know, you’re not going to get a superstar actor to commit to on first time directors film unless the script really knocks them out. And you can even get the script in their hands and that it can be impossible, but a lot of them feel like if I can’t get a big star to do this movie. It’s not worth doing. You have any perspective on that?
Bill Fichtner 49:50
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Especially after having gone through and making coldbrook you know, it’s it is it is our world today. It is As they sell things in a though things change and everything, you know, they sell things on, on on the who’s in it. There’s There’s no doubt about it. It’s like foreign sales we have an I my, what kind of film is that? What is it? I called Brooke as a film that’s, that’s like a PG rated film about friendship, how far do you go to help a stranger? There’s, there’s no guns, there’s no violences there’s, there’s no sex, there’s no nudity, nothing blows up. I mean, I had people when I was looking for a distributor going, Yeah, it’s gonna be a tough one, really, you know, people would see the movie at festivals and go really good movie, man, I don’t know what to do with it. Because a lot of those things are elements that people do sell movies on, you know, you know, to foreign markets, and, and you sell it on name value. Now listen, I’m I’m a, you know, recognizable actor to whatever degree and, and I was fortunate enough with cold Brook that I raised, you know, or my co producers really, along with my help raised the money from the private sector. So one of the upshot of that whole thing is that I didn’t have some producer over my head from Hollywood, or somewhere telling me, you got to do this, we got to do this, we got to hire this person, if you don’t have this person in the movie, you’re not gonna be able to make it. So because we, you know, raise money privately, I was able to go to who I felt were the best actors to be in the film, that the actors that blow my mind, and I went to them and they did the movie. But you can’t say, and I can’t say, I, I put someone in there that has the sort of name value that’s going to make a big difference to people in the world that might really need that in order to purchase a film. If I had if I had a household, you know, name that was in, in the film, what would it have been easier for me to sell? coldbrook? Definitely, no doubt about it. It might not have been the same film and it might not have been, you know, every element changes something makes it a you know, slightly different painting. But it does make a difference. Yeah, I mean, I get that. But then again, people go out and, and they make films and if you’re lucky enough to have somebody see it and go, I have no idea who’s in that movie. But that was unbelievable. Right? Well, it doesn’t happen often. But it happens. And and then all of a sudden, I mean, look at the people who went and spent $60,000 on their credit cards. It made Blair Witch Project. Yeah, it’s gonna make a scary movie, but like $60 million, or whatever. Yeah. You know, Blitz depends on what it is. I mean, I have a good buddy of mine, listen to this, you’re gonna love this as a good buddy of mine that produced a film that I was in about four or five years ago. And, and, and he said, I, you know, I keep in touch. And we say, Bill, man, I really want to see you. I really want to see your film. I sent him the film and and I had lunch with him. And he sat down with me. He goes, What? Why? Why would you make that movie? I like, I’m like, what kind of questions why would you ask me? What do you mean? Why would I make that movie? In this day and age today a movie about like, how far do you go to help a stranger and finding an inner calling to do the right thing? Yeah, but But what are you ever going to do with it? And, you know, I got his point. But it’s, but it is the movie that I wanted to make. The next time that I make a film, do I? Will I adhere to those sort of standards? Or or? Or things that people might expect in this business to help you sell a film? Well, I guess the next time around, I certainly don’t ever want to make a movie for someone else’s. You know, what they think is that movie I should make? You want to make the movie you want to make it but at the same time? Sure, you know, I’ve I have a better eye about maybe how to how to blend those things together. Though I still think that cold Brook, if I was to start it all over again today, I still think I would have made the same movie.
Right? And my perspective and my might not be yours. But my and I understand that everything is a business and money makes the world go round. But from my perspective as an artist, and I don’t care what creative art you’re involved in, being proud of the work and being really happy with with the work that you’ve done and produced is the number one way I would measure success.
Bill Fichtner 54:49
Oh, there’s there’s a lesson and then but then again, it comes down to That’s such I mean, that’s a huge thing. And that’s a my thing. You can eat away. But it’s not everybody, right?
Bill Fichtner 55:12
Okay, it won’t pay. You can eat it or bite. But it’s the most it’s the first step to me. I’m not saying it’s the only measure of success. Again, I understand this the business, but if I’m not proud of the work I’ve done, and it makes a million dollars, I’m gonna end up drinking or doing drugs or something. Because Because I’m gonna, I’m gonna feel like I cheated somebody.
Bill Fichtner 55:35
I there’s Yes, exactly. Yeah, you did. And I feel the same way. And you cheated yourself. And I don’t like doing that. Right? And I don’t live that way. And I don’t want to listen, I have, I have an issue. And the older that I get, it seems to come on more and more. I don’t really like watching myself. You know, even when I started working in films, I would get asked to like, do you want to watch dailies? And I’d be like, No, no, no, thanks. Is it smart to do that? Sure. You can learn things from that from watching stuff. I just, I just would never mind things. Then the older I got, the only times that ever really see a film was like at the premiere, or when you had to do some sort of ADR looping you know, sound on it, when they were putting it together. I don’t have that thing where I need to, I don’t get this sort of gratification where Oh, man, I gotta watch myself, you know, because I’m so good. I don’t have that. I’m a little Actually, I’m a little hyper critical of my own thing. So here I come trying to make this film, you know, in the last couple of years and, and boy talk about, you know, I don’t like watching myself, but yet I played the CO lead in this. And I got a great editor. And I told this young editor that I met that I just believed in, met him on the phone, actually, it didn’t even see his real. And I think I talked to him for an hour. And I’m like, gearin, I love you. What’s your name again, buddy. He’s my editor. And I can’t imagine not wanting to work with him the next time I do something, and but I said to him, I’m, I might cut myself out of this movie, and I won’t serve the film. So you edit the scenes we’re going to work on you show me what you’re thinking about. Because I don’t want to do that. Wow. And that’s what we did. And actually, it was a lesson learned on the first, the first day of editing was the first week, first couple of days. And I was picking things out going, Oh, I liked that moment. I liked that moment. And we worked on this big opening scene, and the scene that opens the film. And he played it for me after two days. And I was like, it doesn’t work. And and I know what I’m doing. I’m getting in my way, I’m screwing myself up. Because I don’t like watching myself. And I love everybody else that’s in the scene. I can’t do that. So let’s let’s adjust something right now. you edit the scene, and let’s demo start to bounce some thoughts off of it. And and, you know, at the end of the day, I you know, getting back to you know, a couple of years go by and make the film gets distributed. Thank God, it’s out there right now on these platforms. And, and but when I look at the film now, you know if i grown up since then, sure. Am I smarter about things? Absolutely. But I’m still proud of it. You know, I? Boy, if I didn’t have that? I don’t know what I would think if I didn’t if I wasn’t proud of it. I you know, and I would hope that nobody ever saw it. Right, you know? Yeah.
Wow, this has been a really insightful and powerful conversation. I hope a lot of the young filmmakers and you know what musicians guys can can relate to what everything you said to it’s just a different medium that they work in. I got to tell you a little story before I prefaced My last question to you because it’s something I asked every creative person. I play in a band. And I was buying an AMP off of Craigslist. And the guy told me to meet him in a in a mall parking lot. And you might be familiar with $1 what Whitman? What were more parking. I know where it is. Yeah, sure. So I got there before him. And I’m thinking why you know and amplify something you need to plug into why isn’t this guy having me to his house, he must. He must have something to protect, doesn’t want strangers to pass, I can understand that. I got there early. He pulls up and I knew right away the guy had a lot of money by the vehicle he pulled up with. His wife was like covered in diamonds and pearls. He was with them in the passenger seat. And we got to talk and they said what are you doing? And I said I play in a band and he said, Oh, you’re living the dream. And I laughed in his face. I actually and I didn’t mean to be rude, but it was just a natural reaction. I said, You don’t understand. I’m not rich. I’m famous, I’m not a rock star. I play clubs, I play beaches, I play at nursing homes, I play private parties. My wife, I’m a working stiff musician. And he said, You don’t understand. I’ve been a day trader all my life, I’ve made a ton of money. I always wanted to be in a band, I’m selling you my amp, I’m retired, it means I’m never going to live my dream. You’re living my dream. And I went, Whoa. And I decided I got to make a film about this to show what it takes to really pursue no matter what you do. Whatever you do in life, there’s a price to pay you never know somebody else’s life into your actually step into their shoes. But there are a lot of people who go through life, never pursuing their dream for one reason or another, they you know, money becomes more important, or other things become more important. And they are, for lack of a better way to put it not courageous enough to follow their dream. So I have to ask you, do you feel like you lived your dream?
Bill Fichtner 1:01:07
Yes. Wow. Yeah, I remember. moments when I first made a decision that I thought I How could I might my college girlfriend, I was I was telling you, you know, taking these classes at SUNY Brockport. And when I graduated, my college girlfriend gave me a paperback book. And it was called How to be a working actor. I am actually in my little man cave off my garage, and I’m looking at it right now on the shelf. And I read that book 10 times that summer. And it was just the nuts and bolts of how, what do you do if you go to LA? And where do you study? And this was four years ago? And where do you go? If you go to New York? And how where do you study? And how do you do it? And, and I read it over and over. And I remember at the time, when I read that book that it was so exciting, that it was a world that I was just having a new dream about. And and was dreaming about it during the day and at night. And but it was a dream every moment and in something back then back then. Did anybody really know an actor living in check the log in New York that was so that was on television? Or? Or an Hollywood guide? You didn’t know actors? Right? I mean, so to, to get to that place and to have enough, enough inside and you know, and then that probably comes from my mother, you know, just always given you the confidence that you can you can try it, you can do it, whatever it was, and, and to go to New York to go through that were the hard times did I ever Honestly, I can’t believe I’m gonna say this. Did I? Did I ever really? Do I feel at my place in my life right now that I filled every dream that I ever had? Absolutely not? No. But I ended up with a few other ones that I didn’t think I was going to have. And they were really freaking good. So but I put myself on a road did I did I get as far down the road as I thought, maybe not. But I but I got on the road and and I live on that road. And it’s it’s, it’s, you know, it’s the road that I that I chose back in the summer of 78. When I turned in that police exam and said, This just isn’t going to be my road, I’m going to go on this road and I have no and it’s not like I knew anybody in the business, nothing, nothing. But I’m going to go on that road. And I’m going to try to get down that road. And I live on that road now. So you know the other thing I want to say too, about what you were saying before about playing in a band and buying that amp. I will say this much about the things that I’ve worked on in my life. Every single thing that I have done in my life is is is like a piece of the puzzle of whatever your life is. Are you proud of every piece that you put into the puzzle? The finish something and feel like you did it in every way possible that you can then be proud of it? Because if you’re not what does it mean? What your puzzle misses a few pieces. I don’t care if you if they’re all the pieces that you dreamt about. But boy, man, if you care about it and care about each piece you put in there, then you puzzle you’re going to be proud of it. And I try to live like that and everything. Especially the shrubs in the backyard. You know, man, I can’t let it go. As soon as I get off the phone with you. I’m in the backyard today. It’s my job. Well, I’m gonna but it’s gonna look good. It’s gonna be a good piece of the puzzle.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:53
Right? I get it and and that’s that’s inspiring itself and i and i think that’s inspiring. If you’re still a young person, that’s a great, you know, I’m what I’m talking about young person, a teenager, somebody who hasn’t quite grown up yet, you’re just starting out, and you have maybe some idea of where your life is going to go, you just be open to the possibilities and opportunities that come because things change, as you said, you know, you were pursuing a criminal justice degree, and, and didn’t even the thought hadn’t even occurred to you to be an actor until it happened. And then you were open to it. So I would say for very young people who were, you know, trapped in an idea of this is where my life’s gonna go with at 15 years old or whatever, be open to possibilities that it’s not going to go exactly as you plan. And there might be something better to coming your way that you don’t even see on the horizon.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:53
I you know, the old expression, listen, you know, your pictures not coming. But keep your eyes open, because it might, it might be a better picture, right? You know, just, you know, add self belief will, will help you paint your own picture.
Wow. Well, I can’t thank you enough for for spending this hour with me today. And providing your perspective and insight through, like, whatever it is 3540 years of experience in in acting and film. And I hope it’s been really powerful, as powerful for the people who are listening as it is for me, but I again, I just want to express my sincere gratitude for you taking taken an hour of your time today to spend it with me and share your insights.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:44
Absolutely. My pleasure, sir. Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:47
You have a good day with the shrubs. And
Unknown Speaker 1:06:53
what else do I do? I’m running out a project. I don’t leave the house
Unknown Speaker 1:06:57
I hear you know, it’s a very it’s a very troubling time and and, you know, a lot of people are really fixated on the lockdown and I say dude, do something you know, creative in this time you got nothing else to do find something creative to do.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:15
Right? Shut thoughts down, do something right, gentle rain, meditate, you know, just do what you can. I mean, it would be these are these are tough times in so many ways, you know, in so many ways for so many people. God bless all of them all. But you know, and for those in the creative thing, if anybody was tuning in today, you know that, that anything that I said has some meaning for you. That’s fantastic. What an honor to share it with you.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:42
Great, thank you again, Bill. Have a great day.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:45
Till the next time my friend Yep. You got
Unknown Speaker 1:07:49
my for now.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:49
All right back.
Bill Fichtner everybody. great insight there. I can’t imagine that if you’re a creative person, you didn’t get something of real value from his insight and perspective and I really grateful to have him. Join us today and share it with us. Just a note, I want to thank my good friend Vinnie Florrie for hooking this up for me today. He actually was responsible for getting billed to be on the show and I did not want to say goodbye without thanking Vinnie, Vinnie. So Laurie, thank you very much, buddy. Till next time, and I hope you got a great deal out of this show. I hope you’ll share it with your friends. I hope you subscribe. Till next time, I’m Matt nappo for the mind dog TV podcast. Bye for now.
My friend Craig returns to talk about his cooking show, baseball, comedy, politics, west coast life and all sorts of shenannigans
After being diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at the weight of 380 lbs in September of 2016. Craig Mitchell has lost 100 lbs (and counting) and has completely controlled his type 2 diabetes with diet alone since February 2017. A Stand Up comic and amateur cook, Craig had a twice monthly cooking show where he shares recipes and tricks of health eating done simply and deliciously!
Sponsors: https://mybookie.com. Use promo code minddog